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I'm fishing for the past 30 years own and run a charter boat but don't want to mention its name. Like any fisherman you have a bucket list.I have caught everything even Goliath tiger in the Congo for 3 months.

My last 2 species was broadbill and a 100 kg tuna.Long story short, for broadbill you need to find the food source first. Every one says bluenose is a good indication for broadbill.

Were you find bluenose there will be broadbill!!

For 13 years I have been marking the deal reefs off Durban.  Got myself a electric reel shimano and daiwa and 2 hand reels with 900 m of 180 pound braid. Went to Riaan Williamson of Pulsator and asked him to crimp 400 pound trace with swivels 450mm apart. My snouts and hooks I tied myself 80 pound with 6/0 circle hooks.

I knew my best chance would be to wait for 3 days of NE wind and on the turn to SW go deep and see what I get. I'll loaded 600lt of fuel, phoned my two gillies and we set off at 02h00 .at sunrise I was 15 nml from were I wanted to fish.

I started to watch my Lowrance finder she kept Bottom all the way.I saw a showing 40m off the ground. I thought it was a thermocline suddenly it dropped to 20 m from the bottom then stopped. I knew this was fish and not small one and not one or two. This was the biggest shoal of fish I ever saw.1.5 ml long just fish.

I turned around went halfway and we started drifting. Loaded the hooks with strips of squid 10 or so on each hook just ones trough at one end to make lots of movement in the water.
The trace was 10 m long with 3 kg on the Bottom and 1kg weight on the top of the trace.Lines down.

Once on the Bottom we waited about 1 min for the trace to start dragging on the Bottom.The Daiwa was first to go, the rod just bent straight down.

I could see this was big to big to lift I could see I'm getting multiple hook ups the trace came up all the snouts was broken, if it wasn't broke the hooks were bent open.

Same was the story on the hand reel to my left.Yaseen was quick to realize to hook one and bring it to the boat. it was a grouper of 27 kg.

We knew the fish down there were Much bigger in the 40 to 70 kg range.

We regrouped and doubled up on the 80 pound.

Same thing we were weighed and found out of class.By this time the SW picked up to 13 knots. time to go. I was begged to stay one more drift.

So we did and fireworks it was we came up doubles and singles but with now 9/0 kennel rounds bent open.if it wasn't grouper it was a bluenose.

Grouper was easy but the bluenose was fighting from Bottom to the top the hole 500 m plus .we ended up with 4 grouper and 10 bluenose GT weighing 250 kg in 3 drifts.

Holding on and boat on auto pilot we headed back home to shallower water for 4 hours.

But it was worth it I proved that we have very good fish out deep if you have the right gear and balls for it.

Photos was taken to ORI to Id the fish it was the two species but no one would ever thought that Durban had bluenose on its coastline.

For the past week I've been prepping my boat and rigs.I left the grounds with the big fish and only brought small ones home.next time its the big ones I'm targeting.

This is the most excited I was in years of fishing. I know what's out there and it will blow the most experience fishermen's mind.

its the holy grail of fishing.I orders my heavy deepdrop electrical reel from pulsator the best for this depth.we going even deeper.

Because they live between 500 and 1500 m depth only in certain conditions you find them shallow on 500 plus so next trip its 700 to 900 m

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Excellent report STB!!

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Hi Jakes,

Nice catches, especially for Durban.

Some of these fish look like wreck fish to me. Did you identify them?

EDIT: On whos boat were you fishing?

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very interesting there.

tried searching for a blue nose gt/ kingfish but came up empty handed.

so please advise.
Nice fish you guys got.

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willem wikkel spies wrote:
very interesting there.

tried searching for a blue nose gt/ kingfish but came up empty handed.

so please advise.
Nice fish you guys got.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_butterfish

This should help clarify the species

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nice fish there . Hi Bennie . i think its a bit wrong of you to say that they look like wreckfish to you and that they are iegal to catch . i know its not easy to identify a fish on a foto as far as i know they were identefied by ORI as some rock cod spesies . i think they did well to go and explore the depths of durban . def a first for our waters. well done SIMPLY THE BEST . Not fishing on line

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Thanks Nantes.Hi bennie surely I know my fish but to be absolutely sure I went and saw Shaun at ORI not just for the grouper but to find out more of what spesie I might get there.Shaun is to my knolage the most qualified person around.He is a professor and did his theses on the grouper spiesies.it was identified as a moustarge grouper.But defnitly not a wreckfish.for its shape and color.But that was a plus the topic is the bluenose that nobody new we had here and defnitly not in this tipe of numbers.This is pioneer work my buddy.Proper new frontiers.

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Thanks Nantes. Hi Bennie surely I know my fish but to be absolutely sure I went and saw Shaun at ORI not just for the grouper but to find out more of what specie I might get there. Shaun is to my knowledge the most qualified person around. He is a professor and did his theses on the grouper species. The fish was identified as a moustache grouper.But definitely not a wreckfish.for its shape and color. But that was a plus the topic is the bluenose that nobody new we had here and definitely not in this tipe of numbers. This is pioneer work my buddy. Proper new frontiers.

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fryfly wrote:
willem wikkel spies wrote:
very interesting there.

tried searching for a blue nose gt/ kingfish but came up empty handed.

so please advise.
Nice fish you guys got.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_butterfish

This should help clarify the species


Thanks Fry... Sjoe, Thought for a minute there was a kingfish that I'd never targeted.

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thanks, nou weet ek ook.

dis diep hengel daai, amper soos kite hengel!!!

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thanks for sharing..interesting

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now to catch it on jig !!!

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Did n Groot plesier

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Hi guys .after a few months of prepping my boat and making hand reels to Handel the depths I went out again targeting blue nose .the wind was less than 6 knots and most inportent the pressure was 1020 at 05h00 going up to 1022 by 11h00 that's my target time.From 11h00 to 13h00 it dropped to 1020 so that was the time to look around for new reefs and fish as the fish would be off the ground .after 13h00 the pressure went up to 1022 I'll target the fish then till home time.crew was late so I left at 05h00 as the sun came up I was on the mark only 3 guys on the boat so I was flying yo the spot.as the pressure was rising there were no showing on the finder I was the first one to go on a nice moustage grouper of 24 kg on the diwa electric reel .next drift one more.3 drift it was Yaseen with a donky of a grouper 37,6kg.10h30 fish was off the bite.I'm looking for my blue nose .trolled around till 13h00 and staith on with a blue nose of 14 kg what a fish .

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Very interesting and well done on the catches.

Is it possible to release any of these fish or do they generally suffer from barotrauma due to the depths they are caught at?

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To deep to release the groupers heart stops beating.But the blue nose is possible to release that's why we only took one home released 4.very nice eating same as musdelcracker.For the grouper each guys took one and a half to eat.I will go for them in Nov again.will try to go for deep sea swollowtail next.

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Thanks, how many NM do you go to reach those depths off Durbs?

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For gigging you need a Stella 20 000.it will work properly and the big Bluenoses will be first to take it.we lose a lot of sinkers by the fish going for the sinkers first
I use black tape to rap the sinkers to avoid los of sinkers

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60 km

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Videos following soon

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Epic report and fishing! Have you ever encountered wreckfish, polyprion sp. or are those grouper members of the family? Fascinating stuff you have been up to.

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Have caught wreck fish but I stay away from areas at that depth where you would get them .

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I'm quite fortunate to have ORI like less than 1km from my boat and was asked to take 1cm skin samples of the fish I catch and all info as there is very litle info on the spiesies and there numbers at that depth.So I do work hand in hand to get more and more info on all of the grouper spiesies.First time I got a moustage grouper I thought it was a big wreck fish but was prover wrong by ORI.it seems like there number is is much larger than the catface and yellowbelly for each outing we incunter more and more of these big moustage grouper.also it turns to reddish color after 2 min on deck .

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Dr Hoffman the only info I could get on the deep reefs off Durban was published by The Oceanographic Research Institute in 1968 byJ.I.P. Smith :investigational report no 19, and includes the following spiesies:macruroplus ORI,synaphobranchus affinis,Daramattus armatus,Benthodesmus elongatus,pilymixia nobills,Ruvettus pretioxus,Sarcocara nigripinnis,Glyptophidium longipes,Sphwnantirias simoterus,Hydrolagus African us,Malacocephalus laevis,and Macro to plus polylepis .As you can see no grouper and no bluenose as for the method they were using to fish.
I'm sure if they used handline it would have been totally different.my aim is to prove that there is a big food source out in the deep and I know I'm right as iv experienced it.But now it is to look at there migration pattern so for this year I only fish in each season .next year I'll focus on the vest season.in Feb I saw the biggest shoal of fish in my life.But mother nature chased me home.if you have more info I'll apriciate it highly.PS.please excuse the tex as I'm tiping on my phone don't have a computer. My interest is in the ocean not in the books.

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The reef I fish on is 18 km by 5 km wide.for all the fish that was caught was only on a stretch of 200m by 100m wide.

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The reef I fish on is 18 km by 5 km wide.for all the fish that was caught was only on a stretch of 200m by 100m wide.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_wreckfish
http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=126998

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C4%81puku

I don't know anything but what I've seen on the NZ fishing shows..I'm just curious, been wondering about these as they are found in NZ and Tristan Da Cuhna and the first species all up the Atlantic from brazil to america and is described as being found here? I've read also very susceptible to commercial over fishing, not by rod and line but there are fisheries that have been collapsed by long-lining fleets in some places. Anyway I'm amazed at your efforts to go and discover a new fishery and document it :) and hope no long liners figure it out too..I'd froth at a chance to get one of those deep species you've been catching, one day! Great stuff.

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Hi just thought I might update you guys on my last outing and what iv learnt. On Wednesday the call came from a high profile client of mine Kobus Bezuidenhout.

I want a big fish like that and a bluenose.I tought its a tall order but I'm sure I can do it.I'll look at the forecast and advice best day was Monday or Tuesday.

As it was a week in advance the weather can change. He said it no problem I'm flying down tomorrow let me know when is the best day.

Keeping a close eye on the weather and cfoo bouy web site for the current it was time to tackle up.First to many hooks so I down sized to 6 hooks.

I was taking one guy out so 2 electric reels would be more than enough.

It would be nice if the Lingrin pitman reel was available but the daiwa bull would have to do.

The weather moved up one day.Sunday was a good day but with ne blowing sat its going to be bumpy in the morning but most important the pressure was good 05h00 1020 going up to 1023 by 11h00 after that a wast of time.

I made the call sunday 04h00.Left port at 04h00 with bumpy seas but she's a big boat 10m no problem. Sun up at the spot fist down one rod 3 fish 2 Bluenoses and one fish I Need help to identity.

Second down small moustage grouper, juvenile moustage grouper so you can compare this one with the juvenile wreck fish,next down bluenose then came a donky of a moustage grouper 26,6 kg.

Client happy by 10h00 6 fish onboard.Back home you've done it I'm happy came the call.Thanks.

On the way back my gillie was chating away and I had time to regroup on my thoughts on what iv done and learnt of the habits conserning these deep fish.iv tried ne wind ,sw wind ,ne drift,sw drift,high tide,low tide,late day going in to night,dark to urly morning,and rising pressure.Now pressure decreasing, but that means no fish or fishing hard for one.

That would be my next trip but no client as fishing might be bad.

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Sunday afternoon I received a call from a good friend .

Please larnie don't turn in to a book we reading you post and like to hear and see what fish you catch and how you go about targeting these big fish we've never seen before.Please speak plain.

Cool Mohamed no problem.I was home By 12h00 had a look at the weather made sum money boats full its time for my trip and iv got to pay the learning fees.

But nothing say we can't make a fun trip out of it.So I phoned my friend Moulana and asked him to join me for an outing for Bluenoses.

He's been chartering my boat now for 3 years,this is pay back time.

It was yes please. Next call Rayn Williamson from plulsator please join me bring the big electric reel R100 000 for one reel but what a machine this thing is what I need let test it.

Its a bad day so we need to work hard fish won't eat but for Rayn it would mean looking at the area and us both learning more about how to get better at targeting these fish.

we left at 03h00 wanted to see if they eat in the dark with a dropping pressure,have tried every combination. We only had one pull,it came on Moulanas rod .

On the way back it was me and my thoughts again.

Feb was crazy with the most fish I ever Shaw .

The fish was mostly female with eggs.last two outing the bluenose was few and all males with white sperm coming out when on deck.it means this is end of spawning time.The females moved on and some males stayed .

interesting very interesting. I can work with this information. Did the females go deep,north or south.

Need to ask a few friends south and north 100 km up or down to go deep and see .me I need to go deep.

Shit need the Big reel .My wife is going to sh!t her pants if I ask her if I can buy one.

I really really need one or I please want one.

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A very interesting fact on this deep fishing is the current out deep.Please Don't be put off by thinking the current is strong all over.If water moves south or north it has to be replaced. So if the current go south some were it has to go north to replace this water.Were these two currents meets the water will actually stand still with only a wind drift.There is two areas off Durban like this off the deep one is strait off Warners 9 km north and 9 km south on a depth of 350 to 450 m.all reef.these areas is were the fish come to bread.No body fish in this area.Its actually unbelievable to think that this happens.But it does.When you go out deep you pass two currents strong ones most people will turn back thinking it will become worse but you have to push trough to calmer waters. My mate told me he had a fad out There and it lasted 3 years with 10 mm rope,that was the give away this area Dont have current the water twills here.So all come together this is why the fish bread here.

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Only thing you need to realize it is impossible to fish with a KP and rod here .Trust me iv tried you use a 2 kg or more lead to fish here. It took me months to build a reel for this.The Manuel reels were manufactured by Anton from Fish On Lures on special order.The Lingrin Pitmen by Pulsator Lures Rayen willimson and that daiwas was imported. So that is the 3 choices of tackle cheapest is the hand reels.If the demand for the hand reel grow Anton will manufacturer it by injection molding .Mine was made to test and it works very good.And cheap enough to afford.

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Very interesting stuff. Keep em coming. Was that the R100K reel you posted an image of?

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Sorry was out at sea and could only sent a short reply.To come back to the Bluenoses a mate of mine went out in Richardsbay to the Berge on 750 m he saw the showing I was talking about,rigged a sleger rig on a 120 bentbutt and went down.He said it was unbelievable the fight the fish he had on gave him,unfortunately he did not land the fish but the big shoal seems to be Richardsbay area now.That big reel is the right rig for that depth and class of fish.

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You should try drop a small bluenose that you catch down as a livbait..hehe

When you find them again..Exciting stuff.

http://www.fishing.net.nz/how-to-catch/bluenose/
http://www.fishing.net.nz/how-to-catch/hapuku-and-bass/

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I'm not sure what a small Bluenose looks like? LOL - We have caught a good few on our trips to the Three Kings in NZ - all on Vertical jig in around 200-250m. None have weighed less than 10-12 or so kg. Probably the BEST eating fish on the planet. Watching this post closely.... looking good.

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Regarding the Groupers? Check these out - caught 3 months ago at the Three Kings Islands in February this year. Polyprion americanus - looks very much like yours.  

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Sure wonder who classed it and if and DNA samples were take.

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But look closely to the anal fin area and jaw plate

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Most important is the moustache the line infront of the eye between the eye and lip running from the top to the corner of the mouth mine is brown wile the one in your photo is white.

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Iv mentioned the fact that these fish were properly identified please except it .There is a photo with the sap holding up the grouper ,next to me taking the photo was a Parksboard official James Wood.on his request it was identified by ORI.I wish the grouper wasn't part of this reef as we trying to see if we have a total new spies out in the deep that is very sustainable .I place this on the site to inform keen fishermen of one of the best time of fishing iv ever experienced. And how to explore it for yourself.I'm trying to get the local dealers to support us fishermen by importing the right gear for us to be able to explore new frontiers.This have kicked off and I get every days call on how to go about doing it and how to optian the gear ,how to make the rigs.And then photos of their success. It amassing to see how fast we gro We are a 3rd world country with our tackle being available.But if it bothers you guys I'll stop posting this experience

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No, think you misunderstanding the posters STB, they just look a hellava like the family of hapuka/bass/groper (as they call them in New Zealand) or close relatives. We are all pretty interested, speak for myself but ja who wouldn't be ;) Please don't let us stop you..

I've been wondering about Polyprion americanus for some time, my skipper could tell you how I've asked him in the past and I think he laughed me off a few..haha ja They have been described off our very deep and they must be somewhere out there..that is my take, someone is going to discover a fishery sometime, that is if the foreign trawlers or longliners haven't cleaned our stock we had already.

You reckon a billfish will eat a 10-12kg livie? This from the first link posted.

""This could also be part of the reason why broadies like to hang around bluenose schools, as squid is also a favourite food of the broadbill.

Bigger broadies love bluenose as well, proven by the fact that they are often found in the stomach contents of broadbill. ""

Thats why I asked..Curious as to what else is around eating the bluenose :)

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The broadbill is in that area but it takes a long time to establish the movements.Iv disasembled my rigs as to do improvements on it.our next step is to send a servey vessel out for 2 days to map the area with reef .It will save me more than 3 years .Then also to place fads out on these reefs as they (bluenose)tend to come up in the night time.There's not much on the net about there movement or migration pattern. The reels is going to be modified to run on hydraulics. Iv taken the motor off a 10 ton truck with its hydraulic tank.it use to run a crane on the back of a truck.the motor that turns the crane is being mounted on the hand reel.iv got a hydraulic spesialist helping me.Think I can get away fitting 2 hydraulic reels for under R10 000.

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Must say there is bigger fish down there.I lost two sets of braid 600 m at a time and twise the 400 pound trace broke after a fight of about 7 min on the action on the rod and reel it was close to 70 kg.iv landed a 110 kg shark on the daiwa and released it so the reel can Handel it

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Dr Hoffman please send me a what's app I'd like to send you some photos taken close up on the dorsal fin anal fin and moustage area.My number is 0824355443

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STB, great thread...good job on your persistence to catch and record these fish, many hours spent I can imagine.


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The Dr. questioning the Broadbill eating live bait of 10+ kilos?
Yes....witnessed (longlining for tuna) many large broadbill swallowing 1mtr long big eye tuna, aswell in the broadbill's belly was found a large squid larger than 1mtr.

(Inside the tuna's stomach found the squid bait used for the initial target).

Please keep us posted on your progress with your 'hydraulic powered' reels.

FYI have a look at http://www.bigcatch.co.za, they have an online store and you may find gear there you are interested in.


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Yes they do eat these bluenoses.as we have the ideal breading grounds here by us all sizes of bluenose is found here.But most is 12 to 15 kg ideal size.We have spotted 2 broadbill in the same area but Dont want to get to exited ,I'm not ready for them yet.The reels have been disassembled and sent for iodising getting them back on Friday.

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Any more feed back on the exploration of the blue nose fishery ?

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I'm the only one targeting them.They have there season when they come inshore to breed.My boat and tackle is prepped for it but season still a long way at the moment we in our geelbek run.

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Latest on Bluenoses.I know it is illegal to put out fads,but I just have to test it.I places out this week two fads the ones we make for Dorado,but for Dorado the boy is on top of the water.I places a anker down witch could hold a ship with 20 mm rope and at a depth of 60 m from the top I placed one boy with 6 pieces of shade cloth then rope up to 15m from the top with 4 boys on it for Dorado.hoping to attract small bait fish on 60 m for the Bluenoses and 15 m for Dorado.it would also attract broad bill .so in a months time I'll check it out

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Sat on my boat yesterday and 2 clients came to ask to go for bluenose.so we went to the deep together with my brother in-law with his boat Fishing on line .I went with my boat Simply the Best stait for one spiesie.Bluenose.See atatch photo for Fishing on line.

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Nice to see our Dorado season is very urly this year.Well back to the blue noses.Armed with only Manuel reel we had success and landed 3 nice bluenose and no rocords.once again we lost 6 traces ,just busted up along the way up to the top.

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As you can see on the condition of the fish .PIC above ,the fish by my foot .It seems that the lame and lazy Dont migrate so you get your ones and two's. But the big shoal should be here later.See the mark on the fish by my foot.All of these fish had some problem with there condition.

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Still nice eating and very good fight from the Bottem to the top.I can just emagine how nice it would be to jig for this fish with a stella 20 000

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Email I received from Dr Clive Roberts



Hi JAKES,
 
Thank you for your email and interesting photos attached.
 
Based on relative body depth and colour, I think your fish is a hapuku Polyprion oxygeneios (family Polyprionidae).
 
It is hard to get a suit of characters from photos, so my identification is subjective and not 100% definitive. However, I have been working on this group for over 30 years and know both species well as juveniles and adults, and can be reasonably confident that it is not a wreckfish (P. americanus).
 
Unfortunately, my home computer will not download the photo images posted on your Sealine discussions.
 
As this fish is an important record for South Africa and the species, I would be most grateful if you can give me its location and depth of capture. I presume that you caught it on rod & line.
 
Hapuku are found all around the temperate southern hemisphere, including oceanic islands in the south Atlantic and south Indian oceans. So, it has always been a puzzle to me why not in South African waters. I suspect the simple answer is that hapuku do occur off South Africa, but has always been misidentified as wreckfish. To be certain about this we need at least one specimen donated to the collection of either the South African Museum, Cape Town, or to SAIAB – South African Institute for Aquatic University – at Grahamstown (see Ofer Gon cc above).
 
So, if you catch any more, especially smaller than this large adult, I suggest that you freeze it and contact whichever fish collection is nearest for their instructions on pickup and delivery. Sorry, I know they are very good eating!
 
Also, I think that your observations on bluenose captured off South Arica are also important. However, I am currently on leave and do not have access to a fish library, so cannot easily check the world distribution of this fish. But happy to do a follow up in December, when I return to work in Wellington.
 
Best wishes, CLIVE
 
P.S. The two species of Polyprion are genetically distinct, but it is important to compare the most variable markers – although COI should have pick this up. Possibly there is, again, a problem with original identifications of the fish sampled?
 
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Very interesting topic.

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Been out every year once, just to keep track of them. What a feeling to catch this specie.

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Been out every year once, just to keep track of them. What a feeling to catch this specie.

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This year

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What a fish

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Awesome man...really awesome..pioneering. And they eat as good as you hear?