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 Posted: Sun Jul 2nd, 2017 12:46 pm
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Hi, is there any specific bait and rig that is good for sandsharks?

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 Posted: Sun Jul 2nd, 2017 01:44 pm
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not much comments will come forward now as you are not allowed to target them specifically in south africa
it is in the new angling regulations.

they do fight hard, testing tackle all the way.

they do like sea lice, fleshy baits and even whole live baits

don't know if you are still allowed abroad to target them

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 Posted: Sun Jul 2nd, 2017 02:16 pm
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Thanks willem...
Actually ive been targetting these sandy in singapore for the past 10years but luck still not on my side...although few of my fellow friends already landed a few.. heard that sandys wont take a short snood line and some said it doesnt matter.. would appreciate if there is any little tips for me to take note on the rig and bait for sandy.. or its just my luck thats been down the hill... thanks..

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 Posted: Sun Jul 2nd, 2017 08:54 pm
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Sliding sinker trace, hook snoot length 50cm, sinker length 60cm, for bait I usually find squid or fish bait works best. No float. By the way I dont target them, just end up catching them by accident.

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 Posted: Mon Jul 3rd, 2017 06:00 am
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in south Africa they tend to come in very close to shore and feed on sea lice "mole crabs".
especially on the incoming tide, one can even see them feeding. these are normally the smaller ones.
you need to look for banks with working water on them.

biggest thing is to use natural bait for the target specie

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 Posted: Mon Jul 3rd, 2017 11:18 am
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Thanks a lot for the advice! I will take it into account... ::tight:

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 Posted: Mon Jul 3rd, 2017 05:27 pm
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Hi Barramat

Any pics of the type u catch in your waters. It would be interesting to see.

Here in SA we find the Lesser Sand Sharks, the smaller species and then the Giant Guitarfish which is probably fairly wide spread in other waters. The SA record for this "fish", is well over a hundred kgs and they give you a run for your money.

Mackerel heads, Whole Mackerel, mixed grills of of Mackerel and Shad Bellies, Chokka with Mackerel.... for the bigger ones. The little lessers love squid baits, esp Mangrove squid, commonly known as Bay Squid here in SA. Even the Giant Guitars will eat it!

As a youngster I remember catching my first "Junior" Giant Guitarfish, carrying this "thing" over my shoulder all the way home, about 5kms, getting home with it and my lated dad saying "Son do you know what "fish" that is? No dad! It's a Juvinile Giant ..... going on to explain the prominently white spots on it. I ended up removing the skin with some difficulty back then removing the perfect white fillets from the fish and had my late mom deep fry a portion of it. I can literally clearly remember that " magic" taste of it's flesh. It was the only one that I ever tasted, all the rest returned live as it was such a bother and also that I became very conservative at a young age, under the guidance of my late dad, whom also said to me Son that's the first and Last one you bring home!!!! Joining a fishing club at a joung age also created a very conservative path of fishing for me.

"Willem" in reading can you confirm our catch restrictions here in SA for them? Is it one fish but no minimum size?

From a personal capacity along the KZN coast be it a social or competitive angler I can probably count on my one hand as to the number of Sand Sharks that I have seen kept for eating, 99% released, yet I suppose in other parts of the ocean anything goes?

Trace wise, fixed or running/sliding sinker sinker with end tackle ( hook size , line strength) being appropriate to the size of the "fish" targeted.

Tight Lines.

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 Posted: Mon Jul 3rd, 2017 06:15 pm
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Hi Cobia333..

Very entertaining story of yours...at early age you already got your sandy... i'll work even harder with the baits & techniques in the future...
Well... sounds like there's 2 types of sandy but iam not really sure which is which... as far as i know the sandy here in singapore mostly with the white spot and grow pretty big reaching 90 to 100+kg.. in the older days there are anglers who landed 70kg-80kg specimen however, mostly landed about 20kg to 40kg range nowadays.. if iam not mistaken it was 15 years ago before i started with the S.A style of shore fishing method with braid backing & topshot, at that point of time iam using a 13ft penn surf rod and daiwa shv 30 with 30lbs mono est around 300+meters with a whole fresh fish on a 6/0 hook got stripped and cleaned in just 2mins+... didnt get a chance to turn the reel handle...damn! We're pretty sure thats a sandy that weighs 50kg above...iam still kinda newbie at that time and still underestimating the power of a big fish..haha guessed i deserved it.. and no more biggies similar to that incident even after iam into S.A style...only medium sized rays and catfish...

However, here's a pic of a singapore sandy that was caught by a friend weighs around 20kg+..

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 Posted: Mon Jul 3rd, 2017 06:32 pm
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This one is caught recently... its a shame catch compared to the S.A...

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in south African waters it is quite common to get stripped..... we are indeed lucky.

Most of the anglers would be using 50 size reels with 50lb braid backing 350-450 meters with another 200- 250 0,55mm top shot.

30lb is just not enough to stop certain fish.

Sandies do fight hard!!! and do put plenty of pressure

looking at your surf conditions 30lb rigs might not be too bad.
we have much heavier surf conditions here to assist fish in their fight.

the first pick is of the giant sand shark specie
the 2nd pick looks more like our local sea barber. normally we do get them but very small.

also remember edible fish fight hard but fights don't last that long, compared to inedible fish, like sharks, rays etc.

I don't target the latter, but they do tend to climb onto my line at times.

a interesting observation with the off shore fishing is that the edible fish gave all at once.'
the sharks "smaller ones" fought at about 60% of what they could until they saw the big zambies are on their tail.........then they wake up and scream through the water, until they are eaten!!!! :)


maybe this is why the fights are normally so long with them.

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Barramat wrote: This one is caught recently... its a shame catch compared to the S.A...
Barramat this looks like a large cod as opposed to a sandy mate.....

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Rather some sort of Catfish.......

A Sandy is a tough customer indeed and only gives up when on the beach. That on in the pick looks very similar to ours in SA. My biggest was 89kg, 3hrs on .40 kingfisher line, and a.60 leader. A month before that one I tusseled a "giant" for more than 4 hours before losing it as it took me round a point cutting the line. Only saw the fish once during the fight. I have a lot of respect for the Kingfisher line and a plain and simple fig 8 knot to attach leaders.

I just wish I had the pics of the many fish I have caught. Lost in a move and also chucked away 3 albums in a long ago divorce story. Lol to much fishing back then. I suppose she got fed up.

Cheers Enjoy.

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Uhuh............ thanks cobia333...

I just wish i could land my very first sandshark before this year ends...its been in my dreamlist for more than 10 years now...gosh! Iam not talking about 80kg+, a decent 10kg is enough to make me the happiest man on earth! Wish me luck and stay tune.. :)

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Thanks willem for the very clear details and theory that makes so much sense.. true that, although me and my team mates are highly influenced by the SA style of fishing now but sadly here in singapore totally different from the SA, its hard to get big fish especially sharks.. but i believe the SA style is the most effective method to tackle any monsters in singapore waters.. we followed every details from braid backing,topshot,importance of the line capacity, bite trace, riggings, throw baits, slidings, reading the beach formation, now its just a matter of waiting and waiting for the big strike...and be lucky too for my first sandy... :)

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 Posted: Tue Jul 4th, 2017 05:09 pm
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Cobia333 wrote:
Rather some sort of Catfish.......

A Sandy is a tough customer indeed and only gives up when on the beach. That on in the pick looks very similar to ours in SA. My biggest was 89kg, 3hrs on .40 kingfisher line, and a.60 leader. A month before that one I tusseled a "giant" for more than 4 hours before losing it as it took me round a point cutting the line. Only saw the fish once during the fight. I have a lot of respect for the Kingfisher line and a plain and simple fig 8 knot to attach leaders.

I just wish I had the pics of the many fish I have caught. Lost in a move and also chucked away 3 albums in a long ago divorce story. Lol to much fishing back then. I suppose she got fed up.

Cheers Enjoy.


as long as you have been fishing more since the divorce, then I would say.....best move ever made

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;)::tight:

Thank you sir!!!

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Whole Yellow Tails is also a good bet for the larger Sandy
I managed a 2.5m specimen on this bait
and often we get pulled first on Yellow Tail bait

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