Saragosa SW 6000 vs Stradic 5000 FK

Blikkiesvis

Sealiner
Hi Guys!

So I had a bit of a debate over the weekend regarding the Gosa 6000 vs the Stradic FK 5000. In my mind the Gosa should be much better that the Stradic. I convinced myself and I stuck to my guns, but with the facts on the table it seems that there isn't too much difference between the two. In fact, on the little score card I drew up myself the Stradic wins 5-1... Maybe I am missing something?

The only thing in the Gosas favour was line capacity. But the Stradic takes 300m-20lb Cobra/ 250m-33lb Cobra and you don't really need much more. Apart from line capacity, the Stradic wins on every other aspect (apart from bearings, thats a draw).

I suppose you have to look at what application you will use it for. As a spinning reel trowing lures the Stradic will be my nr one choice. As a surf fishing reel that you can spin with now and again the Gosa will get my vote!

Please feel free to throw in your opinions!

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Limpopoking

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I have both and they are very different IMHO. The Stradic is tiny relative to the Gosa, so I wouldn't have compared to two. That being said, both are pretty damn awesome. Both mine are as yet un-fished, but the Stradic will be used on my flick stick whereas the Gosa is intended for use on a light popping outfit.
 

Tackle-holic

Sealiner
Both superb reels.
Gosa (and Spheros for that matter) are sealed. Properly sealed as in like a Stella, perimeter gasket on body, multiple O ring seals at rotation points and clever system to keep water out of the IAR bearing
This needs more weight so that there is somewhere to put the seals.
Not designed for winding under water but way better than the Stradic in terms of sealing.
BUT Stradic is lighter, free-er spinning and it has better line lay.
 

Blikkiesvis

Sealiner
What I don't understand is the drag? Doesn't the Gosa have a duel drag (or something) and a better stack... Shouldn't the drag then be stronger or does this just make it smoother?

I'm not too clued up with the technical stuff...

The sealing would explain why the Gosa/Spheros is listed under "Saltwater Spinning Reels" and the Stradic only under "Spinning Reels".
 

ECH

New member
Any updates on this? Im torn between the Gosa 6000 and the stradic 5000 for a spinning real on my Amia 11 zero HX, Will mainly be used for dropshotting and spinning, but will throw a small bait out with it every now and then
 
Dropshotting, retrieve speed less important, spinning you want it nice and fast. Gosa is sturdier, the stradic is the PERFECT light spinning grinder..Decide what you want it for, baiting or spinning and if baiting get saragosa, if spinning get the stradic.

Later get another outfit dedicated to the other you do less. It will make the one you do the most of more enjoyable. If I am going baiting and maybe some spinning, I'll take my light stick and a bait rod with, if off the cliffs I'll bait with my 11ft exage, if off rocks or beach then my 12' 4-5oz rod, with my light spinning stick..If I am going spinning and the fish I am spinning for are around and conditions good I'll take my heavy spinning rod with and my light one and if its dead quiet and I throw a bait, I'll just bait with my 10foot heavy stick and grandwave if for reef fish or with the light stick if for elf..
As someone said in other threads, you dont get a rod that does it all, or a rig that does it all, equally well. Though you can do lots more with you rig that what it is perfect or intended for..

Your bio says you have bluefish special and BG 5000, well then you have a light bait rig already, then get the stradic dont even think about it, for a light spinning rig, even if the rod maybe not 100% for the application, and take both rigs with you fishing, later if you feel like you want a lighter rig for elf or leeries or bonnies, the reel is perfect, a slightly lighter stick probably in the sweet spot for light spinning something like the 1-2oz heavy 11' although the XH will do you will have to feel how it fishes on the light spoons and light braid and whether it is over-powered for the target species (15lb other brand or 20lb-25lb hmp recommended. I don't know what you catch at your spots and maybe the rod gonna end up being a cob stick in which case its probably perfectly suited..

Its not much more mission to carry two light sticks tied to each other than it is to take one, so take bait rod and spinning stick unless you a spinning mullet like me and the fish biting, in which case stuff carrying a bait rod around.. I mean the ballie staying close to me does not even fish bait at all these days, only plug and spoon and he eats more fish than me! But he been doing it for 40 years so he has a lot more tricks up his sleeve than I do, one of those that has forgotten more tricks than I know..
 

ECH

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Dr halibut hoffman wrote:
Dropshotting, retrieve speed less important, spinning you want it nice and fast. Gosa is sturdier, the stradic is the PERFECT light spinning grinder..Decide what you want it for, baiting or spinning and if baiting get saragosa, if spinning get the stradic.

Later get another outfit dedicated to the other you do less. It will make the one you do the most of more enjoyable. If I am going baiting and maybe some spinning, I'll take my light stick and a bait rod with, if off the cliffs I'll bait with my 11ft exage, if off rocks or beach then my 12' 4-5oz rod, with my light spinning stick..If I am going spinning and the fish I am spinning for are around and conditions good I'll take my heavy spinning rod with and my light one and if its dead quiet and I throw a bait, I'll just bait with my 10foot heavy stick and grandwave if for reef fish or with the light stick if for elf..
As someone said in other threads, you dont get a rod that does it all, or a rig that does it all, equally well. Though you can do lots more with you rig that what it is perfect or intended for..

Your bio says you have bluefish special and BG 5000, well then you have a light bait rig already, then get the stradic dont even think about it, for a light spinning rig, even if the rod maybe not 100% for the application, and take both rigs with you fishing, later if you feel like you want a lighter rig for elf or leeries or bonnies, the reel is perfect, a slightly lighter stick probably in the sweet spot for light spinning something like the 1-2oz heavy 11' although the XH will do you will have to feel how it fishes on the light spoons and light braid and whether it is over-powered for the target species (15lb other brand or 20lb-25lb hmp recommended. I don't know what you catch at your spots and maybe the rod gonna end up being a cob stick in which case its probably perfectly suited..

Its not much more mission to carry two light sticks tied to each other than it is to take one, so take bait rod and spinning stick unless you a spinning mullet like me and the fish biting, in which case stuff carrying a bait rod around.. I mean the ballie staying close to me does not even fish bait at all these days, only plug and spoon and he eats more fish than me! But he been doing it for 40 years so he has a lot more tricks up his sleeve than I do, one of those that has forgotten more tricks than I know..

That is some absolutely SOUND advice! Will definitely be going for the lighter reel as will be using it 9 out of 10 for spinning, My XH does feel slightly on the the heavy side but does the job perfectly as I will use it mostly as a cob spinning rod for the surf and Shad / Garrick rod when i get the itch.

Quick question, Here in East London the Stradic FL and New Sustain 5000 is almost in the same price point, Would you still recommend the Stradic if a sustain was on the table for the sort of application im looking at?

Greatly appreciated advice!
 

ECH

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ECH wrote:
Dr halibut hoffman wrote:
Dropshotting, retrieve speed less important, spinning you want it nice and fast. Gosa is sturdier, the stradic is the PERFECT light spinning grinder..Decide what you want it for, baiting or spinning and if baiting get saragosa, if spinning get the stradic.

Later get another outfit dedicated to the other you do less. It will make the one you do the most of more enjoyable. If I am going baiting and maybe some spinning, I'll take my light stick and a bait rod with, if off the cliffs I'll bait with my 11ft exage, if off rocks or beach then my 12' 4-5oz rod, with my light spinning stick..If I am going spinning and the fish I am spinning for are around and conditions good I'll take my heavy spinning rod with and my light one and if its dead quiet and I throw a bait, I'll just bait with my 10foot heavy stick and grandwave if for reef fish or with the light stick if for elf..
As someone said in other threads, you dont get a rod that does it all, or a rig that does it all, equally well. Though you can do lots more with you rig that what it is perfect or intended for..

Your bio says you have bluefish special and BG 5000, well then you have a light bait rig already, then get the stradic dont even think about it, for a light spinning rig, even if the rod maybe not 100% for the application, and take both rigs with you fishing, later if you feel like you want a lighter rig for elf or leeries or bonnies, the reel is perfect, a slightly lighter stick probably in the sweet spot for light spinning something like the 1-2oz heavy 11' although the XH will do you will have to feel how it fishes on the light spoons and light braid and whether it is over-powered for the target species (15lb other brand or 20lb-25lb hmp recommended. I don't know what you catch at your spots and maybe the rod gonna end up being a cob stick in which case its probably perfectly suited..

Its not much more mission to carry two light sticks tied to each other than it is to take one, so take bait rod and spinning stick unless you a spinning mullet like me and the fish biting, in which case stuff carrying a bait rod around.. I mean the ballie staying close to me does not even fish bait at all these days, only plug and spoon and he eats more fish than me! But he been doing it for 40 years so he has a lot more tricks up his sleeve than I do, one of those that has forgotten more tricks than I know..

That is some absolutely SOUND advice! Will definitely be going for the lighter reel as will be using it 9 out of 10 for spinning, My XH does feel slightly on the the heavy side but does the job perfectly as I will use it mostly as a cob spinning rod for the surf and Shad / Garrick rod when i get the itch.

Quick question, Here in East London the Stradic FL and New Sustain 5000 is almost in the same price point, Would you still recommend the Stradic if a sustain was on the table for the sort of application im looking at?

Greatly appreciated advice!

Just doing a bit of research and the sustain looks a little more salt tolerant and sealed, I do wade alot when dropshotting and spooning on banks
 

Tackle-holic

Sealiner
Just doing a bit of research and the sustain looks a little more salt tolerant and sealed, I do wade alot when dropshotting and spooning on banks
 

Sustain is not even singing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to saltwater resistance (and I own a Sustain)Saragosa is way more capable of shrugging off splashes and immersions.
 

ECH

New member
Tackle-holic wrote:
Just doing a bit of research and the sustain looks a little more salt tolerant and sealed, I do wade alot when dropshotting and spooning on banks
 

Sustain is not even singing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to saltwater resistance (and I own a Sustain)Saragosa is way more capable of shrugging off splashes and immersions.

Thanks, Im comparing the stradic and sustain for salt water resistance, Gosa is going to be to heavy for my setup, What do you reckon between the two? Im swaying more on the sustain side as the stradic is almost in the same price bracket
 
If you going to be wading alot with it and reel getting dunked, maybe the saragosa.. Check what the various retrieve inches per crank are and compare.. Id get the stradic still BUT it has to balance the rig, take your rod with and feel. My stradic been on the boat hundreds of times getting splashed and dunked once or twice, rinsed and serviced regularly and was running like new when it was stolen. My previous model from 6 years back maybe more is still fishing.

It may not be right for the rod and saragosa may be right? You must feel them on the rod and see. Looking online, shimano has for 2020 dropped the sustain though the most recent version had a XG with the same retrieve of the stradic, the previous version more suited to dropshotting than spinning and slower than stradic. Sustain marginally smoother and lovely reel, I have a 10 000 but even there I'd prefer an XG reel, the sustain 10000 is more of a power gear.
I've never fished the assassin so the only way to know is to go sometimes, go feel what the reels feel like on the rods, the loomis I am saying might be perfect for the stradic etc.might be the same blank as the assassin, in which case match perfectly, I am just going on paper specs..The loomis rod I am familiar with..
 

Tackle-holic

Sealiner
If it is the newest Stradic ie the FL model, go for the Stradic over the Sustain.
This one:
 

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HuntaGrunt

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That stradic is a thing of beauty and is superior to sustain despite being cheaper, Iv fished mine along side a stella 3k and honestly you cannot feel the difference. Just not a reel you should try and work on if your not experienced. The new Clutch system is very complex. Gosa and spheros are far easier to self service and will take far more of a beating than the stradic, especially in salt and on the bricks.
My 2c
 

Blikkiesvis

Sealiner
I cant believe its been 3 years since I started this post... A lot can change in three years, even my mind ;)

You shouldn't really compare the two reels. The Stradic, old or new model is a spinning reel. It should be used throwing plugs and paddle tails in estuaries. You can also use it for bait fishing in estuaries and even to catch yellow tail from a boat.

The Gosa is a stronger, tougher and more superior reel. You can also spin with it but its a bit heavier and your arms will feel it after a while. To me its a perfect "little" rock and surf reel that you can use to catch a variety of smaller edibles and it wont shy away from the fight if you get stuck into a buss.

If you have to choose between the two it would depend on what your favourite application is. But keep in mind that you can't R&S with the Stradic (I wouldn't) but you can spin with the Gosa...
 
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