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 Posted: Fri Nov 16th, 2018 05:22 am
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Hi everyone,

As you will see this is my first “official” post on the forum, and I’m a newbie when it comes to R&S fishing. Been fly fishing for a couple of years.....but decided it’s time to join the dark side.

I’ve got a Sensation Short Range 10’ paired with an Okuma RTX 40 reel (15lb braid) that I use for spoons, sticks and plugs. I would like to get into heavier R&S spinning (bait as well) and after a lot of research and reading posts on this forum, I bought myself a Diawa BG 5000 reel and paired it with 30lb. J-Braid. But now for the rod.

I want to target mainly edibles and would like an 11'/12' rod. My main question is what is the difference between a long butt vs. short butt spinning rod. Obviously the length, but why the difference and what would be better suited for R&S spinning.

I’m currently leaning to an Adrenalin Triple-X, Shimano Exage AX or Loomis Shock Wave HMG Surf Spinning Rods. Budget is roughly R2K for the rod. Any other recommendations for a “do-it-all” rod?

Your assistance would be highly appreciated.

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 Posted: Fri Nov 16th, 2018 06:34 am
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In a nutshell..

Spinning=multiple throws with a lure.My suggestion would Be a short 7-10ft HMG rod with a long but. The rod needs be light or your arms are gonna suffer.

If for bait throwing. A short but is cool and 12-14ft rod depending on what you hunting. (eds-in-eds)

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 Posted: Fri Nov 16th, 2018 08:10 am
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in short....

there is no 1 rod for all aspects.

due to spinning reels, having a short bud section, one cannot put in real power on the rod "note this is for newbies"

so for spinning alone a longer but section is advised.
for bait fishing, a shorter but section is easier to handle.

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 Posted: Fri Nov 16th, 2018 11:17 am
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I had a Poseidon Ultra Light spinning rod that had a relatively short butt section and I hated it. I prefer the leverage (for casting) that a longer butt offers.

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Thanks for all the replies. It's appreciated. ::tclaph

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 Posted: Fri Nov 16th, 2018 07:31 pm
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Some info from people who cast heavier spinners.

https://youtu.be/l5D44XYYgik

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 Posted: Sat Nov 17th, 2018 09:54 am
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Triple x a very nice blank but they skimped on components..The eyes are junk. I hope that yours last your trip in the car home from the store, mine didn't LOL.

After replacing the eyes with proper fuji alconites for the braid application, preferably in anti-tangle layout, the rod will be setting you back well over 2 grand. You pay now or later, you choose, braid is expensive to replace due to your eyes chowing it and windknots.

http://sensationtackle.co.za/rock-surf-rods/67-188-archipelago.html#/19-sections-2_piece/33-length-12_0/55-type-spinning/59-action-x_heavy

For spinning with grinder you want a long butt. For bait and heavier spinning you will generally need two rods. One 10-11 ft spinning depending on where you fish and what you fish for, light rod helps as said above, and a 12-13 ft for all round bait work. One wont work too well for the other as much as each would do their own thing..For heavy spinning though you could suffice with the above rod which will be brilliant for scratching and general stuff.

For real heavy spinning, I will tell you what I was told which was the big difference for me..A grinder is not the right tool ;) Modern multipliers with internal mag is far better suited to the job. I started having a lot more success when I listened to the advice..

Last edited on Sat Nov 17th, 2018 10:36 am by Dr halibut hoffman

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 Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2018 02:12 pm
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Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. I got an 11' LOOMIS ARCHIPELAGO XH HMG rod today. The build quality is outstanding Fuji reel seat & guides.

I think the BG4000 would have been a better option with this rod, but I can always go a bit smaller in future.

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 Posted: Fri Nov 23rd, 2018 05:09 pm
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Hey LamoraK. Please give us some feedback on the rod once you have taken it for a spin . I'm currently split between the Archipelago Heavy and the X Heavy.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2018 09:45 am
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I will definitely do so. I was also between the Heavy (1 to 3 oz.) and the X Heavy (1.5 to 4 oz). The reason I went with the XH is that I have a Sensation Short Range V1 10' (0.5 to 2.5 oz.) rod. The Short Range is not a R&S rod (not Fuji guides, etc), but it's a very nice setup for lighter lures, spoons and plugs.

Also, with the XH I can cast the occasional 3 oz. sinker and bait for scratching.

I was wondering if someone can indicate what will be the "lightest" lure you would be able to cast with a 1.5 to 4 oz. rod? Will I be able to cast a 1oz. Toby Spoon, etc.? I know it dependent on various other factors (wind, line weight, casting action, etc.).

So bottom line/question.... will it be possible to cast a 1 oz. lure on a rod that is rated 1.5 to 4 oz. a "reasonable" distance?

Thanks again for the input.

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LamoraK wrote:
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I will definitely do so. I was also between the Heavy (1 to 3 oz.) and the X Heavy (1.5 to 4 oz). The reason I went with the XH is that I have a Sensation Short Range V1 10' (0.5 to 2.5 oz.) rod. The Short Range is not a R&S rod (not Fuji guides, etc), but it's a very nice setup for lighter lures, spoons and plugs.

Also, with the XH I can cast the occasional 3 oz. sinker and bait for scratching.

I was wondering if someone can indicate what will be the "lightest" lure you would be able to cast with a 1.5 to 4 oz. rod? Will I be able to cast a 1oz. Toby Spoon, etc.? I know it dependent on various other factors (wind, line weight, casting action, etc.).

So bottom line/question.... will it be possible to cast a 1 oz. lure on a rod that is rated 1.5 to 4 oz. a "reasonable" distance?

Thanks again for the input.
I have the exact same problem. I have a 9ft 3/4-3oz rod which basically only throws up to 2.5oz before it feels like it is going to break. So the XH makes more sense at the moment, because I can double it as a scratching and light edible rod.But then again, I'm worried that it's going to be too heavy fishing with artificials.

Regarding the if it will handle a 1oz. I don't think so. I went and had a feel again today trying to make up my mind, and the XH is quite a bit more stiff than the H. You will be able to throw 1oz lures, but you will lose a lot of distance.

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