SEALINE - South African Angling and Boating Community Home 
Home Recent Search search Menu menu Not logged in - Login | Register


 Moderated by: Enigma, Emperor Page:  First Page Previous Page  1  2  3  Next Page Last Page  
New Topic Reply Printer Friendly
The shark Tax problem in KZN South Africa  Rate Topic 
 
AuthorPost
 Posted: Mon Mar 11th, 2019 02:46 pm
  PM Quote Reply
21st Post
_zaahid
Member


Joined: Sat Nov 17th, 2012
Location: Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 44
Equipment: Assassin Sabre with Daiwa bg5000 grinder
Best Catch: 40cm blue hottentot
Favorite Fishing Spot: the beach
Boat: n/a
Club: n/a
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
i agree with this statement about sharks being smart animals. ((goodp_ ((goodp_

there was a story i few years ago about sharks biting people on the hip when they went free diving to view sharks. It was found out that the poeple hosting the tours would carry a bag of bait on their hip and feed the sharks from that bag to make sure that they stay in the region they were in. What was later notices was that when people with diving in those areas without the tour guides that had the bait on their hip, the sharks would bite the divers on their right hip, which is where the bait would be carried, thus showing that sharks can adapt to the situation.
(i haven't been able to find the video documentary about it, but when i do, i'll update this post)

taking from this, i'm sure sharks in specific areas that are often fished know that if a boat is close by, there will be an easy meal, thus they follow the boat and tax the anglers...

just shows that every animal on this planet has the ability to learn patterns and adapt to the situations they are faced with

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Mon Mar 11th, 2019 08:13 pm
  PM Quote Reply
22nd Post
willem wikkel spies
Moderator


Joined: Tue Apr 29th, 2008
Location: Heidelberg, South Africa
Posts: 3924
Equipment: ekt geleer net die beste werk.............................
Best Catch: eish waar begin ek?
Favorite Fishing Spot: noord van die tugela is goed genoeg
Boat: Kosi cat 16; 2x 60 mercs
Club: nooooit nie
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Pylstert wrote:
Willem please read, the lack of great whites in the Cape has not caused an explosion in the penguin and seal populations. Penguins are in decline.

Great whites have only been absent for a very short period, I can send you a very good scientific publication based on thousands of observations of sharks.


maybe not penguins, but definitely cape fur seals.
which means that there aint enough white sharks there.

but whites are not the problems here.

Zambo's, duskies and black tip sharks seems to be a taxing problem in KZN.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Mon Mar 11th, 2019 08:23 pm
  PM Quote Reply
23rd Post
willem wikkel spies
Moderator


Joined: Tue Apr 29th, 2008
Location: Heidelberg, South Africa
Posts: 3924
Equipment: ekt geleer net die beste werk.............................
Best Catch: eish waar begin ek?
Favorite Fishing Spot: noord van die tugela is goed genoeg
Boat: Kosi cat 16; 2x 60 mercs
Club: nooooit nie
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Pylstert wrote:
And here is the abstract from a study done on catches in the shark nets:


Population status of 14 shark species caught in the protective gillnets off KwaZulu–Natal beaches, South Africa, 1978–2003 Sheldon F. J. Dudley A C and Colin A. Simpfendorfer B + Author Affiliations Marine and Freshwater Research 57(2) 225-240 https://doi.org/10.1071/MF05156
Submitted: 22 August 2005  Accepted: 17 January 2006   Published: 10 March 2006
Shark nets have been set off the beaches of KwaZulu–Natal, South Africa, since 1952 to reduce the risk of shark attack. The nets fish in fixed localities 400 m from shore and both directly affect local shark populations and act as fisheries-independent monitoring devices. Reliable catch information at the species level was available for the period 1978–2003. Trends in catch rate and size were used to assess the population status of 14 commonly caught shark species. In addition, a demographic modelling approach was used in conjunction with the catch information to assess the potential effect of the nets on populations. Catch rates of four species (Carcharhinus leucas, C. limbatus, Sphyrna lewini and S. mokarran) showed a significant decline, as did the mean or median length of three species (Carcharhinus amboinensis, C. limbatus and female Carcharodon carcharias). For three species that showed declining catch rates or length the potential effect of the shark nets was assessed to be low, suggesting that other sources of catch were responsible for the declining status. The potential effect of the shark nets was assessed to be high for two species (Carcharhinus obscurus and Carcharias taurus, neither of which showed declines in catch rate or length), because of very low intrinsic rates of population increase.


The above is noted, not that I do know the scientific names of the species by heart.
had a look and it is the: dusky shark, black tip shark, Zambesi shark, raggie, pig eye shark and the great white

but also note the date of that report and that it is Aussie web page.


it was 13 years ago!!!
surely a updated report should shed more light on the current situation?

the guys at Ushaka wanted the skiboat anglers to complete a questionare with regards to fish being taxed.
sadly the guys did not complete it/ or kept it updated.
this let to the report on taxing being stopped.

so we do not have a completed survey report which is sad!!!

this exact discussion was once on another forum which led to the banning of users.
it is strange that this tread is moving along so slowly.
i did expect more fireworks.
it might just pick up speed later in the week.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Mon Mar 11th, 2019 09:58 pm
  PM Quote Reply
24th Post
willem wikkel spies
Moderator


Joined: Tue Apr 29th, 2008
Location: Heidelberg, South Africa
Posts: 3924
Equipment: ekt geleer net die beste werk.............................
Best Catch: eish waar begin ek?
Favorite Fishing Spot: noord van die tugela is goed genoeg
Boat: Kosi cat 16; 2x 60 mercs
Club: nooooit nie
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Ok some more info:

a friend of mine resides in Durban, ok I have a few there....

he has pictures of great white sharks which were caught by the dozen in Durban harbor.

his dad is still alive and he told me what was used to catch the great beasts.
great white sharks were plenty in the Durban harbor due to the whaling station, back in the old days.

if you wanted to catch a shark, then all you needed to do is get the skin section of a whale and you would go tight.

but thinking about this.... did man, create a hole for himself back then?

no apex whites to control the lower order!!!
from there things just went pear shaped and now we sit with another problem.


it must also be further noted that:
most anglers fish for edible fish.
not all edible fish are returned to the water, but at least 98% of sharks and ineds are returned.
so in essence, less game fish/ food etc for the predators.

it seems like they have adapted well, in finding scarce food, or that they are just lazy as they know food will be coming soon on a platter!!

so eventually when we have all the facts/ opinions in, then will we be able to appreciate the situation.

when we are there, what do we need to do, to correct the problem.
what is the solution? to the problem?

my dad always give me great advise and that is:

address the problem, not the person when dealing with humans.

the question here is, who is the problem here and how is it rectified?

I do not know this answer, do you have it?
I will not stop fishing for game fish from the boat!!!!actually i will only try harder and start making plans to see, what i can do, to prevent being taxed.
;)

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Tue Mar 12th, 2019 07:43 am
  PM Quote Reply
25th Post
Pylstert
Sealiner
 

Joined: Fri May 4th, 2007
Location: Wagina Island
Posts: 1944
Equipment: 2nd Hand Rods, Torium reels
Best Catch: Medium Bronzie
Favorite Fishing Spot: SA coast
Boat: no
Club: N/A
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hi Willem I think you are probably on a good theory with "less food for predators" and don't discount the impact the shark nets are having. they would have taken out far more sharks than the guys fishing at the whaling station.

Getting back to the seals, particularly around Cape Town, the most recent research show the population decreased from 2009 to 2013. This research was done by a person with a Phd on seal population dynamics, he has studied them all over their range. Doubt they would have dramatically jumped up now. A species population dynamics is not simply related to predation, there are many other factors especially things like how much food they are getting. You again may have a situation where seals can't get food easily enough so now they are going after fishermans catch, but in fact they have been doing this forever and a day so it is probably hard to tell if it is worse now.

Regarding the shark population study in KZN, the fact that the lead auther is from the CSIRO in Australia is neither here nor there

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Tue Mar 12th, 2019 07:44 am
  PM Quote Reply
26th Post
Spool-Song
Sealiner


Joined: Thu Jan 3rd, 2013
Location: George, South Africa
Posts: 515
Equipment: Daiwa Surfmaster 3.8m, Shimano reel, Lots of fly stuff, 2 ...
Best Catch: 80lb Tarpon, 8kg carp on fly
Favorite Fishing Spot: Cape Vidal, Canon
Boat: Canoe
Club: Clubless
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Pylstert wrote:
And here is the abstract from a study done on catches in the shark nets:


Population status of 14 shark species caught in the protective gillnets off KwaZulu–Natal beaches, South Africa, 1978–2003 Sheldon F. J. Dudley A C and Colin A. Simpfendorfer B + Author Affiliations Marine and Freshwater Research 57(2) 225-240 https://doi.org/10.1071/MF05156
Submitted: 22 August 2005  Accepted: 17 January 2006   Published: 10 March 2006
Shark nets have been set off the beaches of KwaZulu–Natal, South Africa, since 1952 to reduce the risk of shark attack. The nets fish in fixed localities 400 m from shore and both directly affect local shark populations and act as fisheries-independent monitoring devices. Reliable catch information at the species level was available for the period 1978–2003. Trends in catch rate and size were used to assess the population status of 14 commonly caught shark species. In addition, a demographic modelling approach was used in conjunction with the catch information to assess the potential effect of the nets on populations. Catch rates of four species (Zambizi, Black tip, Great ans scalloped hammer head) showed a significant decline, as did the mean or median length of three species (Pig-eye/java shark, black tip and female Great white). For three species that showed declining catch rates or length the potential effect of the shark nets was assessed to be low, suggesting that other sources of catch were responsible for the declining status. The potential effect of the shark nets was assessed to be high for two species (Dusky shark, Raggie), neither of which showed declines in catch rate or length), because of very low intrinsic rates of population increase.


Latin to English;)

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Tue Mar 12th, 2019 07:49 am
  PM Quote Reply
27th Post
Spool-Song
Sealiner


Joined: Thu Jan 3rd, 2013
Location: George, South Africa
Posts: 515
Equipment: Daiwa Surfmaster 3.8m, Shimano reel, Lots of fly stuff, 2 ...
Best Catch: 80lb Tarpon, 8kg carp on fly
Favorite Fishing Spot: Cape Vidal, Canon
Boat: Canoe
Club: Clubless
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Regarding the penguin populations:

In 1900, it was estimated that about 1.5-million birds lived on Dassen Island alone. There are now only about 21 000 breeding pairs of African penguins left in the world and they are listed as "Endangered".

So a more than 100-fold decrease in a species over the last hundred years is a massive decline and a huge cause of concern.

This decline is caused by human activity.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Tue Mar 12th, 2019 08:19 am
  PM Quote Reply
28th Post
TimJan
Sealiner


Joined: Tue Aug 26th, 2008
Location: JHB, South Africa
Posts: 1021
Equipment: anything that brings the fish to me
Best Catch: 18kg cob, 16kg carp, 18kg barbel, 5kg yellow
Favorite Fishing Spot: Witsand
Boat: DamDuiker
Club: 
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Ok put it like this.

If you are fishing from shore and there are a million peckers around and your bait does not last a minute in the water before its gone do you suggest calling someone with a trek net to come past and remove all the peckers so that you can fish? Or do you move spots or pack up for the day?


Yes I get it that it is irritating for you to loose a fish to a shark but its your choice to fish where they are.

Adapt your fishing to your conditions don't adapt your conditions to your fishing

The attitude of there is too many of them so lets kill them is exactly the logic that gave us our current fishing stocks. Our grand parents caught allot of fish with zero regulations and thought the seas are an endless supply and because they caught fish boats realized that if you throw out a net you can catch even more than just a rod and reel a couple of centuries later and we have our current fish stocks. If you look back at the OLD days you think they were so lucky if only they protected a bit we would still have fish. Now think what will your grand/great grand kids say of our current fish stocks? Will they say WOW grandad was so lucky to fish as there is nothing now, or will they say wow they were so unlucky as now we have tons of fish to catch?

If you only live for yourself and for now go ahead and kill everything you don't want kill dolphins, seals, sharks, penguins as they eat fish and are in the way of your fishing.
If not think about what you are doing and the effect for the future if everybody does what you do.

And no I am not a bunny huger I fish and if I can i do keep for the pan. But I wont keep under size and I wont ever go over quota and more gets released than what ends up in the pan.

If you go to the doctor and say it hurts every time you stab a knife in your leg the doctor will tell you to stop doing it. Not that all knifes must be banned or to amputate your leg then it wont hurt anymore. Its also not a good idea to take massive amounts of pain killers just so that you can continue to stab yourself in the leg without pain.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Tue Mar 12th, 2019 08:30 am
  PM Quote Reply
29th Post
Redrogue
Member


Joined: Sat Nov 21st, 2015
Location: Port Elizabeth , South Africa
Posts: 134
Equipment: Lots of shimano's
Best Catch: Still swimming around out there
Favorite Fishing Spot: Port Elizabeth and surrounds
Boat: 2013 1800 yamaha jet ski ...
Club: 
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
TimJan wrote:
Ok put it like this.

If you are fishing from shore and there are a million peckers around and your bait does not last a minute in the water before its gone do you suggest calling someone with a trek net to come past and remove all the peckers so that you can fish? Or do you move spots or pack up for the day?


Yes I get it that it is irritating for you to loose a fish to a shark but its your choice to fish where they are.

Adapt your fishing to your conditions don't adapt your conditions to your fishing

The attitude of there is too many of them so lets kill them is exactly the logic that gave us our current fishing stocks. Our grand parents caught allot of fish with zero regulations and thought the seas are an endless supply and because they caught fish boats realized that if you throw out a net you can catch even more than just a rod and reel a couple of centuries later and we have our current fish stocks. If you look back at the OLD days you think they were so lucky if only they protected a bit we would still have fish. Now think what will your grand/great grand kids say of our current fish stocks? Will they say WOW grandad was so lucky to fish as there is nothing now, or will they say wow they were so unlucky as now we have tons of fish to catch?

If you only live for yourself and for now go ahead and kill everything you don't want kill dolphins, seals, sharks, penguins as they eat fish and are in the way of your fishing.
If not think about what you are doing and the effect for the future if everybody does what you do.

And no I am not a bunny huger I fish and if I can i do keep for the pan. But I wont keep under size and I wont ever go over quota and more gets released than what ends up in the pan.

If you go to the doctor and say it hurts every time you stab a knife in your leg the doctor will tell you to stop doing it. Not that all knifes must be banned or to amputate your leg then it wont hurt anymore. Its also not a good idea to take massive amounts of pain killers just so that you can continue to stab yourself in the leg without pain.


((goodp_

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Tue Mar 12th, 2019 08:30 am
  PM Quote Reply
30th Post
Kenty
Sealiner


Joined: Sat Dec 24th, 2011
Location: East London, South Africa
Posts: 8334
Equipment: 1053H Stimulator..Daiwa SL30..#7 Okuma Max Tough(Orange & Pink) ...
Best Catch:  Poensie on spoon
Favorite Fishing Spot: 300m from my front door...Gonubie ...
Boat: N/A
Club: Just GO FISH!!!!!
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
TimJan wrote:
Ok put it like this.

If you are fishing from shore and there are a million peckers around and your bait does not last a minute in the water before its gone do you suggest calling someone with a trek net to come past and remove all the peckers so that you can fish? Or do you move spots or pack up for the day?


Yes I get it that it is irritating for you to loose a fish to a shark but its your choice to fish where they are.

Adapt your fishing to your conditions don't adapt your conditions to your fishing

The attitude of there is too many of them so lets kill them is exactly the logic that gave us our current fishing stocks. Our grand parents caught allot of fish with zero regulations and thought the seas are an endless supply and because they caught fish boats realized that if you throw out a net you can catch even more than just a rod and reel a couple of centuries later and we have our current fish stocks. If you look back at the OLD days you think they were so lucky if only they protected a bit we would still have fish. Now think what will your grand/great grand kids say of our current fish stocks? Will they say WOW grandad was so lucky to fish as there is nothing now, or will they say wow they were so unlucky as now we have tons of fish to catch?

If you only live for yourself and for now go ahead and kill everything you don't want kill dolphins, seals, sharks, penguins as they eat fish and are in the way of your fishing.
If not think about what you are doing and the effect for the future if everybody does what you do.

And no I am not a bunny huger I fish and if I can i do keep for the pan. But I wont keep under size and I wont ever go over quota and more gets released than what ends up in the pan.

If you go to the doctor and say it hurts every time you stab a knife in your leg the doctor will tell you to stop doing it. Not that all knifes must be banned or to amputate your leg then it wont hurt anymore. Its also not a good idea to take massive amounts of pain killers just so that you can continue to stab yourself in the leg without pain.
((goodp_..VERY VERY well written Sir..SALUTE!!!

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Tue Mar 12th, 2019 08:31 am
  PM Quote Reply
31st Post
Pylstert
Sealiner
 

Joined: Fri May 4th, 2007
Location: Wagina Island
Posts: 1944
Equipment: 2nd Hand Rods, Torium reels
Best Catch: Medium Bronzie
Favorite Fishing Spot: SA coast
Boat: no
Club: N/A
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
TimJan wrote: Ok put it like this.

If you are fishing from shore and there are a million peckers around and your bait does not last a minute in the water before its gone do you suggest calling someone with a trek net to come past and remove all the peckers so that you can fish? Or do you move spots or pack up for the day?


Yes I get it that it is irritating for you to loose a fish to a shark but its your choice to fish where they are.

Adapt your fishing to your conditions don't adapt your conditions to your fishing

The attitude of there is too many of them so lets kill them is exactly the logic that gave us our current fishing stocks. Our grand parents caught allot of fish with zero regulations and thought the seas are an endless supply and because they caught fish boats realized that if you throw out a net you can catch even more than just a rod and reel a couple of centuries later and we have our current fish stocks. If you look back at the OLD days you think they were so lucky if only they protected a bit we would still have fish. Now think what will your grand/great grand kids say of our current fish stocks? Will they say WOW grandad was so lucky to fish as there is nothing now, or will they say wow they were so unlucky as now we have tons of fish to catch?

If you only live for yourself and for now go ahead and kill everything you don't want kill dolphins, seals, sharks, penguins as they eat fish and are in the way of your fishing.
If not think about what you are doing and the effect for the future if everybody does what you do.

And no I am not a bunny huger I fish and if I can i do keep for the pan. But I wont keep under size and I wont ever go over quota and more gets released than what ends up in the pan.

If you go to the doctor and say it hurts every time you stab a knife in your leg the doctor will tell you to stop doing it. Not that all knifes must be banned or to amputate your leg then it wont hurt anymore. Its also not a good idea to take massive amounts of pain killers just so that you can continue to stab yourself in the leg without pain.

((goodp_((goodp_((goodp_

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Tue Mar 12th, 2019 07:22 pm
  PM Quote Reply
32nd Post
D5
Senior Member
 

Joined: Sat Oct 3rd, 2009
Location: JHB, South Africa
Posts: 305
Equipment: Shimano, Sonik , ABU,
Best Catch: 10kg common , 18.5 kg Cat
Favorite Fishing Spot: Tago
Boat: No
Club: no
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
I have been fishing offshore for many years .Sharks learned over years that boat means food and I noticed that it happens lot more lately . Trap stick will catch Shark more likely then any other fish . Losing fish to sharks does not bother me that much but damaged or lost expensive tackle does.
When I buy a boat I would invest in Ocean Guardian for boat for few reasons .
First is to reduce taxing , secondly we like to duck ourself next to the boat in the open on a hot day to cool down , third is when you need to do no 2 and have to hang between outboards with fear what hangs below the boat .
It’s a very expensive device but I think it’s worth it . And if not for all earlier 3 reasons - it would be for this one :
It could save lot of Marlin and billfish during the release as sharks attack it right at the boat .
My 2c

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Wed Mar 13th, 2019 09:14 am
  PM Quote Reply
33rd Post
willem wikkel spies
Moderator


Joined: Tue Apr 29th, 2008
Location: Heidelberg, South Africa
Posts: 3924
Equipment: ekt geleer net die beste werk.............................
Best Catch: eish waar begin ek?
Favorite Fishing Spot: noord van die tugela is goed genoeg
Boat: Kosi cat 16; 2x 60 mercs
Club: nooooit nie
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
TimJan.

a interesting written reply.

not even the peckers are around any more!!!
thus there is a much bigger problem then what meets the eye.

never did I advocate to kill any or all of the sharks.
we need to find a solution to the problem.

boating and fishing from boats have increased 10x fold in the last 10 years.
so more pressure is being placed on our fishing resources.

thus fishing pressure on edible fish is increasing
thus less fish to catch and to take home.

the cake is only so big.
everyone needs want a piece of the cake!!!
we need to look after the cake, and we need to prevent some buggers from taking more then their share of the cake...lol



it's all going to go down hill from here.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Wed Mar 13th, 2019 12:32 pm
  PM Quote Reply
34th Post
TimJan
Sealiner


Joined: Tue Aug 26th, 2008
Location: JHB, South Africa
Posts: 1021
Equipment: anything that brings the fish to me
Best Catch: 18kg cob, 16kg carp, 18kg barbel, 5kg yellow
Favorite Fishing Spot: Witsand
Boat: DamDuiker
Club: 
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Hi Willem

My reply was not directed at you in any way.

I do believe the fishery is showing big warning signs as its under massive pressure especially from the fishing that is happening next door in Mozambique now. Not even mentioning the effects of pollution.

But this isn't a new problem I know in witsand its been known from the 70' and I am sure before then that you get taxed by the Zambies if they are around. Also know that for more than 20 years on the kzn coast I heard that the sharks are trained to come by the sound of a screaming reels/ boats stopping.

Look at it like this. If a shark eats his fill early in the morning he will maybe sit around and take one or 2 fish but if he is hungry he will stick around all day. Remember that boats are not permanently on the water but sharks eat constantly so if you don't get all your food before the boat arrives well then the easy meal wins.

Also to find 10 sick/injured/slow fish to eat per day is allot easier between 10 million than 1000 fish.

How you get past it as an angler I have no idea?
In witsand after you get taxed you move location that sometimes gets the shark's to go and sit under another boat and gives you a chance but the fishing has been so bad the last season I will start to be cautious to go into the water. We all know there hasn't been a single attack in the breede but if the food runs out you don't know what is next on the menu?

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Wed Mar 13th, 2019 07:32 pm
  PM Quote Reply
35th Post
willem wikkel spies
Moderator


Joined: Tue Apr 29th, 2008
Location: Heidelberg, South Africa
Posts: 3924
Equipment: ekt geleer net die beste werk.............................
Best Catch: eish waar begin ek?
Favorite Fishing Spot: noord van die tugela is goed genoeg
Boat: Kosi cat 16; 2x 60 mercs
Club: nooooit nie
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
TimJan, no worries

3 years ago I was on virginia barge off Durban.

10 pick ups, 8 fights
1x reefed me7x fish taxed!!!!
in one day!!!

thought that by the 3rd they would be full, big mistake

in that week alone I lost close to R 1k in hooks.

that's how many times I got taxed.

I even broke a rod on the gunnel due to pure frustration.

one cannot fish like this!!!!

I did make changes after that week as I went the following month with a plan.

we managed to boat 2x tunas 16,17 kg

lost a bigger fish when the reel I used, stripped gears due to the pressure.

then I lost a big tuna to the zambo!!!! the tuna head alone was 7kg.

sad times indeed, but good times in between.

so we need to start fishing more clever I believe.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Thu Mar 14th, 2019 05:20 am
  PM Quote Reply
36th Post
Fanie Crause
Member


Joined: Wed Mar 20th, 2013
Location: Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 221
Equipment: shimano
Best Catch: prodical son 16kg. cob 112cm. galjoen 54cm. gt 14kg. rainbowrunner ...
Favorite Fishing Spot: struisbaai
Boat: Gamefish 625
Club: Drostdy kushengel
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
We fished Protea bank out of Shellybeach a few years back chunking and drifting for Tuna.The fish were wild those 10 to 20kg yellowfin were everywhere. I think in total we got taxed over 10 times landing about 4 fish before the fish moved on. I was fighting a yellowfin and a massive massive Tygershark came out under the boat within touching distance (I screamed like a 6 year old girl) and simply strolled on down to eat my tuna. We saw the same shark(monster) on two more drifts showing that they do follow the boats. Stephan001 is right either freespool the fish when you feel it changing gears to avoid the shark or use heavy tackle and as soon as you get the bite drive the fish of the reef.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Thu Mar 14th, 2019 06:36 am
  PM Quote Reply
37th Post
yacoob
Senior Member


Joined: Sun Oct 26th, 2008
Location: Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 754
Equipment: various
Best Catch: My beautiful wife
Favorite Fishing Spot: macassar
Boat: RIB
Club: no
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
With all due respect, I dont give a $#!% what the researchers say. I've been fishing particular areas of false bay for the last 10 years. I could almost predict great white sightings to my crew and, I could even identify a few of them. For the last few years, the decline in great whites and the increase in the seal AND penguin population is crystal clear to me, my buddies and other boaters who frequent Falsebay. I'm NOT a keyboard fisherman, I go out enough times to know my areas very well. We find seals and penguins where we never did before. It doesn't bother me in the least because as i said in my 1st post, its their domain. If i want the fish, I put in the effort and the time, and if sharkey wins, i take it on the chin and try again.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Thu Mar 14th, 2019 06:47 am
  PM Quote Reply
38th Post
Houtarm
Senior Member


Joined: Sat Mar 7th, 2015
Location: Swellendam, South Africa
Posts: 493
Equipment: Okuma Metaloid 13.6, Daiwa BG6500, Shimano Sedona 2500, Shimano 15/30
Best Catch: Yellowfin Tuna 12kg, Leervis 84cm, Galjoen 56cm, Cracker 72cm, Kob ...
Favorite Fishing Spot: Infanta, Blombos, Witsand, Buffelsbaai
Boat: None
Club: 
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Could the increase in seal and penguin sightings not be due to them being more "free" to move about and approach boats now that there are less GWs around, and not necessarily due to an increase in populations?

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Thu Mar 14th, 2019 06:59 am
  PM Quote Reply
39th Post
yacoob
Senior Member


Joined: Sun Oct 26th, 2008
Location: Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 754
Equipment: various
Best Catch: My beautiful wife
Favorite Fishing Spot: macassar
Boat: RIB
Club: no
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
Houtarm wrote:
Could the increase in seal and penguin sightings not be due to them being more "free" to move about and approach boats now that there are less GWs around, and not necessarily due to an increase in populations?

Houtarm, You're right. This is part of the reason why we see more seals and penguins.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Thu Mar 14th, 2019 08:48 am
  PM Quote Reply
40th Post
Pylstert
Sealiner
 

Joined: Fri May 4th, 2007
Location: Wagina Island
Posts: 1944
Equipment: 2nd Hand Rods, Torium reels
Best Catch: Medium Bronzie
Favorite Fishing Spot: SA coast
Boat: no
Club: N/A
Status: 
Offline
Mana: 
yacoob wrote: With all due respect, I dont give a $#!% what the researchers say. I've been fishing particular areas of false bay for the last 10 years. I could almost predict great white sightings to my crew and, I could even identify a few of them. For the last few years, the decline in great whites and the increase in the seal AND penguin population is crystal clear to me, my buddies and other boaters who frequent Falsebay. I'm NOT a keyboard fisherman, I go out enough times to know my areas very well. We find seals and penguins where we never did before. It doesn't bother me in the least because as i said in my 1st post, its their domain. If i want the fish, I put in the effort and the time, and if sharkey wins, i take it on the chin and try again.


Go and count the seals and penguins then and tell the researchers they are wrong. They must be spending too much time on keyboards instead of spending days and years counting penguins and seals, you don't think it is possible that seal and penguin colonies have shifted and you just by chance see more where fish? Overall, they have declined though. You also have to wonder what the octopus fishery has on the seals of False Bay because they eat a lot of octopus and these are now being harvested commercially.

Last edited on Thu Mar 14th, 2019 08:53 am by Pylstert

Back To Top PM Quote Reply


Current time is 02:21 pm Page:  First Page Previous Page  1  2  3  Next Page Last Page    
SEALINE - South African Angling and Boating Community > General Angling Topics > Saltwater Fishing > The shark Tax problem in KZN South Africa Top