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 Posted: Wed Apr 10th, 2019 08:04 pm
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Some big Pro's and Cons imo between Penn and Daiwa even though Penn is not an option as stated..

Daiwa BG.. Pro's:: older model BG's has Minibea bearings thats the same used as in earlier model Stella's so very smooth.. has a larger line capacity than say the Penn ( up to 100 yds more for same size ) and retrieves more line per turn.. Cons:: has a slow retrieve 5.7:1 plus a s/s bail arm ( should suffice for occasional fishing trip ) thats much thinner than the Penn's thats aluminium and thick then the ATD or automatic tournament drag that slips when the fish takes line then sets itself to what you preset the drag to be so might be good or bad..

for capacity as stated there is no industry standard as reels from different brands differ in size


Penn:: Pro's:: has a quality thick bail arm ( aluminum ) with a faster retrieve at 6.3:1 as well as Penn's HT-100 drag stack thats not a marketing term but scientific :) ( Hi Tech 100 or 100 miles the drag can be tested till until it gives problems or needs replacing ) so unless you have a reel that holds 100 miles of line and hook a fish / whale that will strip so much line in one run that drag should last very long if not the entirety of the reels life.. Cons:: has a smaller line capacity for similar size reels from other brands with normal bearings

for Blikkies imo the answer for Diawa is the BG.. for Shimano perhaps as stated above the most expensive in budget will suffice

edit:: between the 1.5k Nasci and 3k if you wondering what the Shimano answer is and if its Socorro then those who have stripped both these reels will tell you the Nasci is the better option even if cheaper

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flippy wrote: Daiwa BG.. Pro's:: older model BG's has Minibea bearings thats the same used as in earlier model Stella's so very smooth..
From what I understand the difference with the original BGs with the gold markings and the newer BG with the black spool is an upgraded shaft and the Magseal.

Are you saying the newer black BG does not have the Minibea bearnings?

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 Posted: Thu Apr 11th, 2019 06:05 am
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BTTB wrote:
flippy wrote: Daiwa BG.. Pro's:: older model BG's has Minibea bearings thats the same used as in earlier model Stella's so very smooth..
From what I understand the difference with the original BGs with the gold markings and the newer BG with the black spool is an upgraded shaft and the Magseal.

Are you saying the newer black BG does not have the Minibea bearnings?


I'm saying the older bg has it with newer bg magseal bearing don't know which bearing they use in new one.. do you know which bearings they use in the new one

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 Posted: Thu Apr 11th, 2019 08:12 am
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flippy wrote:
BTTB wrote:
flippy wrote: Daiwa BG.. Pro's:: older model BG's has Minibea bearings thats the same used as in earlier model Stella's so very smooth..
From what I understand the difference with the original BGs with the gold markings and the newer BG with the black spool is an upgraded shaft and the Magseal.

Are you saying the newer black BG does not have the Minibea bearnings?


I'm saying the older bg has it with newer bg magseal bearing don't know which bearing they use in new one.. do you know which bearings they use in the new one




Minebea Bearings used in the new version.

Normal BG range as well as the new BG Magsealed and the Saltist Range use the same bearings.

Taken from Alan Hawk's Review:

"A minute later I took out the pinion's ball bearing, and was shocked again. These ball bearings are from the Japanese company Minebea. They are made in Thailand, but that's where the company makes particular sizes of bearings now. All the bearings in the BG SW are Minebea. Do you want to know how good these bearing are?"

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 Posted: Thu Apr 11th, 2019 08:53 am
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Thanks Foose

We'll see how good these bearing really are. Lost my BG5000 and rod into the sea last week, hopefully its going to be dived out tomorrow.

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 Posted: Thu Apr 11th, 2019 09:08 am
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BTTB wrote:
Thanks Foose

We'll see how good these bearing really are. Lost my BG5000 and rod into the sea last week, hopefully its going to be dived out tomorrow.



Yikes that's a sad one :? Hope you can find it!


If my BG6500 is anything to go by they should last.
I replaced bearings on mine after 3 years of use.
This includes wading and swimming with it twice.
Not one issue with anti reverse or gears failing.

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 Posted: Thu Apr 11th, 2019 11:41 am
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Guys, I am absolutely clueless when it comes to the technical things of reals. I kid you not... it has happened to me more than once where I decided that I am going to service a reel myself, just to end up with a bag full of spares that I drop off with a pro to put back together again...

I don't care about bearings and bail arms. I swear, how it looks and handles is more important to me than what grade material the components are mode of. All I want is that it works properly! When I turn the handle it must turn relatively easy. When I hook into something bigger the drag should be smooth and able to handle the pressure.

If, only if something goes wrong (knock on wood, slangkop, pinkie swear, holding both feet in the air) I need to know that I have people that I can rely on to have the reel fixed ASAP and without hassle. I don't like to beg for something that is not my doing! And even if it is my doing I would still like the parts to be readily available.

The ironic truth is that I can not comment on the after sale service of Shimano since I have never broken a Shimano spinner... I dealt with the Daiwa guys way back when, with the Excelers and was satisfied with their feedback.

Regarding Penn, well let me tell you a quick story to try and explain my sentiments... I once had 2 different reels break down on me, about a year apart. The one took 4 months and the other 3 months to get fixed. On both occations the spares never arrived and the shop owner got so gatvol with me (and other customers) complaining that he took brand new reels off the shelve to strip for spares so they could fix our reels. Double Trouble... they will eventually break and when they do you will struggle like hell to get them fixed!


Sorry I digressed a bit. The BG will probably be the reel that sets the standard for what is to come in future regarding the standard for affordable R&S reels. I can't see how it can be bettered though!

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Sorry, double post

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Very interesting article, though I'm not a R&S or much of a sea angler I've done similar exercises when shopping for and owning reels for carp fishing. Having owned both Daiwa and Shimano and also a number of lesser know brands over the years I've come to prefer Daiwa. Some of the Shimano reels I feel you just don't get what you pay for especially in the R1000-3000 price range and also when shopping locally. Much better prices are to be had when importing case in point the Ultegra XTD 14000 which sells for R3000+ locally but at the current exchange rate can be bought for a £100 each, buy 3 of them with shipping and you save lots.

What I don't like about some of the more expensive Daiwa's and I see the new BG is the mag sealed bearings. It's hassle to service and you can't replace it with normal roller or ball bearings.

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 Posted: Thu Apr 11th, 2019 05:22 pm
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benniejordaan wrote:
The most expensive Shimano you can afford is the best real you can buy! Don't buy cheap Daiwas, they are all rubbish. Penn is also good. We have a few Penn Battles and they are fantastic.

My worthless opinion.


Hi BJ.....No point is worthless, even as I pointed out to Adrian....BUT....taking Blikkies's mindset into condideration in this specific post is of value here.
Everyone cant always afford the best, most expensive & buys according a budget in his favour.

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 Posted: Tue Apr 16th, 2019 08:05 am
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Hi all, I am looking at getting a new spinning reel, I swaying towards the bg6500 however noticed the okuma metaloid series yesterday on special, it looks a solid reel, has anyone had experience with this reel & is it any better than the bg, would be looking at ms-65 specifically, not much info available on the South African version of the reel, thanks
https://basilmanning.co.za/okuma-metaloid-spin-reel-707818.html

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 Posted: Tue Apr 16th, 2019 08:36 am
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Oh yes, will be targeting edibles & smaller inedibles up to 30kg

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Been using the Trio Rex Salt for over a year now and no problems.

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Presen wrote:
Hi all, I am looking at getting a new spinning reel, I swaying towards the bg6500 however noticed the okuma metaloid series yesterday on special, it looks a solid reel, has anyone had experience with this reel & is it any better than the bg, would be looking at ms-65 specifically, not much info available on the South African version of the reel, thanks
https://basilmanning.co.za/okuma-metaloid-spin-reel-707818.html


I suppose it will depend on the type, size spinning rod you intend using.
As per the discussion of the group, I stay away from any/all Okuma. Its a personal like/dislike matter even if they constructed from superior material....NOH...NEVA.

Stick to DAIWA;)

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Thanks, for the feedback, I will be using it on a Okuma Metaloid 12.6ft

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This is a "must read" by Alan Hawk: * (14 March 2019) A new article has been posted, featuring the Okuma Metaloid. Go to the Blog page and find it at the top.
http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/blog.html

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The Metaloid looks nice but needs to actually be reviewed by Alan Hawk before I would even consider it.

Personally for me comparing a Okuma with a Shimano is like comparing a Toyota Hilux with a Mahindra Pickup. But where's the Daiwa in this comparison you might ask? Daiwa is the Ford!

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Blikkiesvis wrote:
The Metaloid looks nice but needs to actually be reviewed by Alan Hawk before I would even consider it.

Personally for me comparing a Okuma with a Shimano is like comparing a Toyota Hilux with a Mahindra Pickup. But where's the Daiwa in this comparison you might ask? Daiwa is the Ford!


I agree it must be a matter of choice but by just handling and test casting the the Stella and the Makaira I am getting rid of the Stella and is now waiting for my left hand Makaira ordered.

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Blikkiesvis wrote:
The Metaloid looks nice but needs to actually be reviewed by Alan Hawk before I would even consider it.

Personally for me comparing a Okuma with a Shimano is like comparing a Toyota Hilux with a Mahindra Pickup. But where's the Daiwa in this comparison you might ask? Daiwa is the Ford!


Instead of Ford why not rather something reliable like Isuzu?

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 Posted: Thu Apr 18th, 2019 11:35 am
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Hahahaha! Isuzzzz!

I knew when I pressed enter that we will now debate bakkies and the whole thread will go up in smoke LOL!

To come back to the real chat... If you are happy with whatever you are using please continue to do so. We all have different preferences, likes and dislikes. Each to his own!

I base my opinions on past experiences and reading. I have fished and owned quite a few Shimanos and a couple of Daiwas. I have never owned some of the other brands mentioned so I can only go on what I read and what others say. Be VERY careful though of the opinion of someone that is sponsored... They will never bad mouth their sponsor, ever!

It is funny though how the bull tends to evaporate with time and the best reels always somehow floats to the top...

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