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 Posted: Mon Jun 3rd, 2019 09:51 am
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So the new MPA's will come in to effect on 1 August 2019.

it does have many new rulings for us as anglers.
some will be bad, others will be good.

I am sure that we do need MPA areas!!!
but did they consider it all well?

how is your fishing area affected by the new MPA?
lets hear it!!

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(Only talking about Red restricted areas)
I've seen minimal impact MPA areas has which are situated closely to populated areas.

Is there any place you can read up on data being collected from MPA areas to show the benefit that area has provided in the last 20 years it has been there?

I see more and more "implementing" of MPA areas and less and less protecting and regulating of bag limits and bait collecting. I buy a fishing license every year, in the last 3 years I've been asked once for it, I go fish every weekend and every day on holidays when away.

Go view videos of America/Canada/Australia's Fish and Wildlife enforcers and how active these groups are in the areas they are responsible for. Here in the good old ZA I've seen one once this December and once in Melkbos(must say the guys doing the monitoring in Melkbos are on top of their game).

It's really not going to help the casual fisherman to place more and more MPA areas if you do not actively protecting/monitoring the non MPA areas. Instead you just make the area which can be fished smaller and smaller and put more pressure on those areas. Why do you think more MPA areas are being implemented?

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Willem WS, can you send us a link to view the latest MPA's? Thanks.

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I see more and more "implementing" of MPA areas and less and less protecting and regulating of bag limits and bait collecting. I buy a fishing license every year, in the last 3 years I've been asked once for it, I go fish every weekend and every day on holidays when away.

Go view videos of America/Canada/Australia's Fish and Wildlife enforcers and how active these groups are in the areas they are responsible for. Here in the good old ZA I've seen one once this December and once in Melkbos(must say the guys doing the monitoring in Melkbos are on top of their game).

It's really not going to help the casual fisherman to place more and more MPA areas if you do not actively protecting/monitoring the non MPA areas. Instead you just make the area which can be fished smaller and smaller and put more pressure on those areas. Why do you think more MPA areas are being implemented?


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Yip, very good point. Perlemoen poaching is rampant at Cape Point, one of the most visited parks in South Africa if I am not mistaken, yet poachers continue at free will

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TiCK wrote:
(Only talking about Red restricted areas)
I've seen minimal impact MPA areas has which are situated closely to populated areas.

Is there any place you can read up on data being collected from MPA areas to show the benefit that area has provided in the last 20 years it has been there?

I see more and more "implementing" of MPA areas and less and less protecting and regulating of bag limits and bait collecting. I buy a fishing license every year, in the last 3 years I've been asked once for it, I go fish every weekend and every day on holidays when away.

Go view videos of America/Canada/Australia's Fish and Wildlife enforcers and how active these groups are in the areas they are responsible for. Here in the good old ZA I've seen one once this December and once in Melkbos(must say the guys doing the monitoring in Melkbos are on top of their game).

It's really not going to help the casual fisherman to place more and more MPA areas if you do not actively protecting/monitoring the non MPA areas. Instead you just make the area which can be fished smaller and smaller and put more pressure on those areas. Why do you think more MPA areas are being implemented?


Good point. I think the reality from what I have seen in my 43 years of coastal angling, is that it is almost impossible to police non-MPAs. I therefore see no point in all the licence and catch and bag limits etc in non-MPAs, because half the people that use them don't give a damn. I am sick of tired of crapping people out for flouting the law in non-MPAs.

We need fewer laws in this country with better policing and hard penalties behind the important ones. That is where the idea of an MPA comes in. If you have MPA's that are well policed, and carry heavy penalties, with no concessions, then you can at least protect the breeding stock of the sea life we care about.

Future generations will look at the MPA's and think "Jeepers look at all those fish, etc, see how we have really f'd it up in the non MPA's. Maybe we should do something about it." But until then, people think of our oceans as a free for all, and will remain so until the penny drops.

Another way of looking at it is the wildlife in Europe, Australia and America, prior to the arrival of Homo sapiens. After we arrived, there was a free for all which lasted a few thousand years, and there went the mammoths, the lions in Europe, the giant sloth in South America, and other mega herbivores and predators which we only know about from the fossil record.

Just think if they had the equivalent of an MPA on land. All these beautiful and probably quite delicious creatures would still exist.

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 Posted: Tue Jun 4th, 2019 11:05 am
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I believe that fishing regulations are not worth the paper it is written on if you look at the level of our fishing stocks,I think every one can agree that our Coastel waters are depleted and the problems are many from my own experience
1 No Law enforcement and no will to enforce the law,if you look at the Officers tasked to enforce the law they are absent in there duty and in many cases bribed by some fishermen to overlook the Bucket of Shad exceeding the bag limit until you get a real will to protect our stocks from the enforcers it will be a waste of time
2 It starts with everyone to get the mindset of leaving a legacy for future generations by taking what you need and by releasing what you don't,I have seen fisherman that fish from Splash Rock selling Garrick to people and these were big breeding size fish this was done openly becausemthere is no law enforcement
3 Release Big fish they are the fish that will build up our stocks and ensure our fishing future this is our duty and a mindset we have to encourage just read a Tight lines magazine and see these magnificent Kob taken and not released
4 Start using the license money get Boatsmto patrol our waters from foreign fishing trawlers that rape our stocks we have a navy in name only they are incapable of protecting our fish stocks
Revise fish regulations can bag limits on a yearly basis and gather info from a wide section of people from around the Coast to make informed decisions
5 Get a Minister that has a mindset and knowledge about our fish and the threats facing our stocks
6 Start Fish farms to take pressure from our resources
my Five cents worth

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 Posted: Tue Jun 4th, 2019 11:43 am
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They are planning on doing a stretch in PE as well which will include the islands just off PE seeing that this area form part off Addo. We are still allowed to fish Sundays river surf but t may only fish 500m away from the mouth

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 Posted: Tue Jun 4th, 2019 11:44 am
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sorry for the late reply

here is a pdf file so long

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this the one for isimangaliso
st lucia area that it is now part of a mpa

https://www.greengazette.co.za/notices/national-environmental-management-protected-areas-act-57-2003-regulations-for-the-management-of-the-isimangaliso-marine-protected-area_20190523-GGR-42479-00788

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looking at st lucia.
a note.....management authority

they can make rules as they want which is not even in the act.
thus they can control fishing as they wish!!!!

are we going to get nailed here, because we are local and they are only looking to have foreigners as visitors?

guess we will have to wait and see

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in my view:
MPA are a must.
we need areas to protect our fish species and stocks.

but in this country, when we cannot police a aspect, a law is created!!!
as simple as that.
just look at the angling license aspect.

our law says any person needs a angling license if they want to fish.
so even if that person cannot understand the difference between right and wrong, he still needs a license. in our country currently only from the age of 18 in the old days we had 0-7 years cannot understand between right and wrong, 7-14 years a test is conducted to see if the child understand the difference and then older it is accepted that the minor knows the difference between right and wrong.
the act is wrong in my opinion, but it will stand the way it is, until it is taken to court and then the con court needs to see if the act is wrong or not.
so until such time, every person needs a angling license from the age of 12 years.


in any case, back to the point:
so we do not have a police who can properly protect our waters from foreign fishers!!!
so we make a act.
moerse nice hey, but do we have monitoring stations to check up on this matter?

we get checked for licenses regularly at st lucia.
too much if you ask me.

banning vehicles was a good thing.....
why, cause we now have to walk onto the beech from a central point.
and you have to return via this point.
so policing it via this way is easier!!!
less man power is needed to police it.
no big areas to hide your over the bag limit catches.

in the isimangaliso wetland park, the act talks about a managing authority
this means, that isimangaliso as the managing agents will have the right to impose more rules and regulations to their likings.
the question is, how will we be affected by their rules.

speaking to Rob Kyle, it seems like night fishing is a thing of the past at st lucia, although the new mpa act does not state this.
so is the rule already written?

so, go read up on your areas and see how will you be affected by the new MPA.

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oja

lets not be too negative about the aspects.
for now we still have freedom in fishing!!!

act will come into effect on the1st August 2019.
and we are going kob fishing in july!!!
dis om die draai kerels!!

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a video by Dr. Bruce Mann regarding the new MPA's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTHWE4HkqdY

thank you Dr. for setting it out nicely for us as KZN anglers

note that:

protea banks, itugela banks and isimangaliso one cannot fish from a boat at night, around the 34min mark

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I swear the guys who are making things happen read these forums! I am so stoked for the new MPA's, well needed, well thought out and nevermind taking our interests into account, they seem to be engineered to make the fishing both as good as it can get, one day (if enforced), and also most importantly, accessible to the general public. What good is a fat bank balance if you can't spend some of it!

Small MPAs of the prime reef, no take but catch and release zones on each side (also to show how much of a difference the MPA's make and as an angler permitted to fish in some MPA's I can attest to that). Fishing zones in between. Large buffer zones offshore to stop industrial fishing. No night fishing also just makes it a lot easier to enforce conservation measures in those areas, which I hope is done (enforcement). Seasonal closure of known spawn sites during spawning times to bottom fishing. Wow.

All in all, brilliant! I wish the men (and ladies) involved a case of bells!

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As much as I find the idea admirable, the implementation ignored the results of the consultative process and is another government knee jerk reaction.

If the existing rules were policed correctly and resources correctly allocated, we wouldn't need additional MPA's.

Why can't the department spend the time and money stopping the poaching, educating the public and children, following through on the judicial process, link up with Anti Gang Units, etc to actually try and fix the real issues.

We are not policing the existing reserves - why would new ones serve us better?

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According to The WILDOCEANS agreement the South Africa MPA area has now reached 5%. The total area required is 10%. So 5 more to go.

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https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2019-03-19-new-campaign-to-save-the-countrys-oceans-wants-you-to-give-it-a-name/

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Dr halibut hoffman wrote:
I swear the guys who are making things happen read these forums! I am so stoked for the new MPA's, well needed, well thought out and nevermind taking our interests into account, they seem to be engineered to make the fishing both as good as it can get, one day (if enforced), and also most importantly, accessible to the general public. What good is a fat bank balance if you can't spend some of it!

Small MPAs of the prime reef, no take but catch and release zones on each side (also to show how much of a difference the MPA's make and as an angler permitted to fish in some MPA's I can attest to that). Fishing zones in between. Large buffer zones offshore to stop industrial fishing. No night fishing also just makes it a lot easier to enforce conservation measures in those areas, which I hope is done (enforcement). Seasonal closure of known spawn sites during spawning times to bottom fishing. Wow.

All in all, brilliant! I wish the men (and ladies) involved a case of bells!


I agree 100% with your comment Doc, but enforcing the legislation is what is a huge concern. We know the restraints of DAFF & all other parties involved in the monitoring of compliance, but this is exactly where things actually goes wrong.
As guilty as some anglers may be during times, our poachers, illegal netters, & rock scavengers continue unabatedly to clean whatever they can lay their hands on, & yet we as the angling fraternity get to feel guilty for removing 1 size fish with ALL EYES on us but none on the real poachers.
Thats when private individuals & anglers group together to combat poaching, but its a function to be carried out by a existing well resourced policing functionary & notvthe public.
If the attention can be swung to the real problem, illegal trawlers, longliners, netters, poachers then anglers will also toe the line as there is a fairness in the applying of the law.

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