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 Posted: Thu Sep 5th, 2019 12:17 pm
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Largemouth Bass Species control at Loskopdam

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 Posted: Thu Sep 5th, 2019 02:30 pm
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quite a stir, bass lovers on the case,
also, the blues are shot

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 Posted: Thu Sep 5th, 2019 07:08 pm
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Dit is onwaar daar word geen bloukurpers geskiet nie die permitte was slegs uitgereik vir die skiet van baars en dit was uitgereik aan die persone wat deel was van die projek. Hopelik is dit 'n goeie poging deur natuurbewaring om ons plaaslike vis te beskerm.  Ek ondersteun dit 100 persent.
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 Posted: Fri Sep 6th, 2019 04:31 am
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Die probleem is wel dat allerhande varswater vis in damme geskiet word met 'n boog of "spear". Ek het fotos gesien van kurpers wat geskiet word, in die week weer een ontvang.

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 Posted: Fri Sep 6th, 2019 06:07 am
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I am sorry but there i am with the bass fishermen as I am also one.

I am off to loskop next week to firstly hunt kurper then bass and carp and what ever else I can get.
I have also seen the pics of the kurper that was shot as well.

Plus why not make the whole dam ONLY catch and release but carp and bass its your choice. Shooting 20 bass will do nothing for the population of the bass. I have seen people on boats with bags full of kurper to take home that's 20 fish per person per day and that's legal? I will be there for 9 days so I can take home 180 fish legally?


They lay an average of 300 eggs per breeding cycle and they can breed every +-20 days. Just my 180 fish can and probably will produce almost 2 million fry just this season that's the legal quota for one person for 1 week?

Plus the Bass in the dam is pretty localized and they have been there for MANY years its not a "new" thing.


I am also sure there is plenty netting happening there as well. Plus the crocodiles died off because of pollution but Yea blame the bass.


If the fish that are taken out every year for one weekend the kurper bonanza is left in the dam there will be MORE than enough fry produced to keep the bass population happy

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 Posted: Fri Sep 6th, 2019 07:11 am
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TimJan wrote:
Plus the crocodiles died off because of pollution but Yea blame the bass

hey bud
from what i hear, its the blue kurper thats killed off all the crocs, one left on borrowed time.

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 Posted: Fri Sep 6th, 2019 08:11 am
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saw it on fb.
those are real big bass which were taken.
maybe it is a stupid thing.

if it is regulated, then there seems to be a need for it, is it really to protect other species?
by now all fish present in our waters needs to be acknowledged as our species.

so lets do not turn this discussion on its head.

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 Posted: Fri Sep 6th, 2019 08:24 am
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Andre Hoffman van Mpumalanga het my in kennis gestel dat hy ook van foto's gehoor het wat die rondte doen rakende kurpers wat geskiet word by "Loskopdam " volgens hom is dit nie by Loskopdam nie indien wel is dit onwettig, permitte was net uitgereik vir mense wat deel was van die projek by Loskopdam vir die skiet van baars.
Timjan ek stem saam met jou om te sê baars is die probleem en die hengelaars nie self na ons kurpers en ander inheemsevis te kyk nie, en sakke vol vis huistoe vat maak jou net skynheilig.  Ek het ook al menigte kere op die forum gesê daar is baie faktore wat rolle speel in die verdwyning van AL ons inheemse visspesies maar of jy nou 'n baarshengelaar is of dan nie, nie een hengelaar kan en mag ontken dat baars nie 'n wesenlike probleem in ons waters en op ons plaaslike vis het nie.
Hierdie is maar net 'n poging van Natuurbewaring om na ons inheemsevis te kyk en te probeer om een van die klomp faktore d.w.s baars wat o.a. 'n rol speel in die vermindering van baie plaaslike vis en wat al vir JARE 'n impak het op ons inheemsevis hok te slaan.
Baars hengelaars sal en wil nooit erken dat Baars 'n probleem vis is nie.


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 Posted: Fri Sep 6th, 2019 08:31 am
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Look I get it Bass is a predator and they do eat anything and everything.

Also seeing 20 massive bass laying dead on the floor is sad but to the actual stock level this does nothing.
If they killed 1000 small bass but left the large ones don't think most people would have been this angry.

The SA record is swimming around there and this guy could now have killed it? Guess we wont know the actual weight of the fish speared?

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 Posted: Fri Sep 6th, 2019 09:17 am
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Buchi your last sentence is not true. bass fisherman do acknowledge bass do eat other fish and other animals.
i think you are upset due to the fact that almost all bass caught is released, i personally believe it comes from or thru education, in the way bass are caught and love for the sport, where as kurper is on the opposite side of things, educated mostly for the love of a meal, fished with worms and only a few released because of guilt.
fisherman like yourself, kurper addicts, should find a way to turn this around and have a regime like bass fisherman do. this will in time prove to you that bass and kurper can live side by side.

also, i beleive that if a fishery is properly managed, we will see better fish, in terms of numbers, healthy, big specimens of all species. so some sort of culling is needed. illegal activities like spearing, netting and pollution spills need to addressed and severly punished.

i too love the blues and other kurper, i love catching them on lures, they are great sport, damn good fighters, beautiful looking and predator like behaviour intrigues me the same. i release all my kurper.

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 Posted: Fri Sep 6th, 2019 11:06 am
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I have witnessed bass destroy the balance of a dam in just a few years. They are not meant to be in our waters, nature has not evolved to accommodate them. Plain and simple!

In the dams in my area the bass are kept for the table as much as the kurper, so it is nothing to do with fishing etiquette.

Carp and other non indigenous kurper like Niloticus also find their way in eventually. In fact in my local dams the niloticus are now cross breading with the blues and reds, the up side is that the off spring grow huge and are great quarry on rod and line - as are bass.

I don't like it when the bass invade or are sneaked into an indigenous water systems, but it is inevitable.

If we can't stop it or change it, lets just enjoy our sport of angling, the more species the merrier.

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 Posted: Fri Sep 6th, 2019 12:59 pm
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Bassbug you are correct I am upset because of the fact that bass does have a destructive impact on a lot of indigenous fish as does any plant, tree, animal or fish that doesn't belong.  You know what, in Australia they have got Blue kurper in some of there waterways and it has got a very destructive impact on the local population of aquatic life because of competition with other species and more and they have got regulations in place to remove any of the blue kurper being caught by anglers.  And I am a 100 percent for that you know why ?  Because the kurper doesn'tbelong there. My concern is not just the blue kurper (because blue kurper is also under threat from Nile tilapia where they are together and that is probably a bigger threat because once together in the water the results is irreversible when they crossbreed, as is the case in the Limpoporiver and some lower areas of some rivers in the Lowveld) but bass has got a impact on all the indigenous fish in the water and they can wipe out a school of fish with one gulp because they are true predators.  The way you love the sport of bass fishing is the same way I love our indigenous fish and the protection thereof for future generations.  I also catch and release kurper and rarely eat one maybe once in a while.  Thank you for releasing them as well.
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Daars baie gesê, maar wat is die waarheid agter die groep wie sodanig sonder toestemming vis geskiet het ? Is daar enige waarheid daarin & hoekom word dit toegelaat ?

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Here is my reply I posted on FB... ( edited )What a lot of smokescreen bullsh@t! This is a vendetta against bass / bass anglers alike ...remember the saying " some people cause their own storms and then gets upset when it rains"...well this is pretty much it, for Werner,Andre, parks board and Loskop. Bass and Carp was introduced into most of our waters by Parks board in the sixties late seventies. I have documented proof ( books of Fauna & Flora ) of the amounts of bass and carps stocked in different dams and what the ratio and growth rates would be. Funny enough the two ( actually 3 including trout ) species they stocked, that brings in the most capital for many people, are now their enemies. If this shooting of bass was for research. show us the findings please Andre Hoffmann? ...Not some lame ass excuse letter form some guy...furthermore Werner...remember the uproar with Cecil the Lion, well this is even worse...If it was for "research", why brag with it on social media, surely you could have realized the "shitstorm" it was going to cause? You must take the hammering now unfortunately for being a bigger "d@@s" than a certain guy wearing a red beret...killing female bass full of eggs, with a very good genetic strain is just plain stupid and unethical. Catch and relocate the big bass to a closed off area instead of culling would be a better option. Give the bass anglers permits to transport and relocate bass then? The amount of comps held at Loskop annually and the poor fishcare taken is also a waste of good Kurper breeding stock and genes, All I see is big dead kurpers, no releases...why not rather cull the cormarant populations, they can take kurpers of up to 1 kgs ( the breeding stock ), most bass cant...why dont parks board get balls and sort the mining pollution out? The bass might be responsible for the dissapearance of some micro species etc, but so too are locals with nets or fishing with reeds, kingfishers, Monitor lizzards, cranes, Herons, crabs, Fisheagles, water scorpions, Blue and redbreasted kurper, Barbel, eels and yellowfish, to name a few...
Pollution and dropping waterlevels with lower oxygen levels alao causes fish to die, and it is almost always the smaller species or fish that die first!Loskop
was very empty just 3-4 years back...
Please publish the authority letter to use govt property and/or fuel..I am a taxpayer and pay my taxes, so Werner and Andre ( and the rest of the guys involved ), I and the rest of the bass fishing fraternity indirectly pay your salaries or fund your "research"...I / We demand value for our money, now show us the research and findings...?

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Daar is wel Klomp Bloue's en baie groot Bloues geskiet. oor die afgelope 2 jaar die man wat Pronk met sy Bass wat hy geskiet het wys net so mooi sy 2.5-3kg Bloukurper Mannetjies wat hy skiet op dieselfde blad as sy Bass

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Next point is that the Smallmouth Yellow is now declared a pest in the Easterna Cape, east of the Orange as they do not naturally occur their but they, sharptooth Catfish and Blue Kurper have been translocated by water schemes into the EC waters, Southern Cape and Western Cape waters.

Now the next Dilema......some these species, Carp and Bass included have now been in the RSA waterways for over 200 years now..... they are now Endemic and fully integrated into these waterways.

There has been a lot of inconclusive research but surely if for Example after 200 years and equilibrium has been reached in some local waters and the natural species still occur then they are not wiping out the local fish populations

It's like a person telling me I must leave RSA or be eradicated because I don't occur in this region naturally.

I have no problem with the research and the methods, if controlled. I have a problem with Sensationalising it and eliciting the reactions it has on Social media for his own ammusement.

By the way the SA Record was shot and killed by this Spearo as the one he is posting with weighed in at 8kg.... without her eggs.

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I personally just don't like the whole ordeal. Maybe it's just because the guy in the picture is posting like a dooshbag with fish that he knowns will upset a lot of avid bass anglers... that's really bad PR and the conservation body should know the contentiousness of the issue.

In my personal experience these ecosystems tend to sort themselves out over time, at least better so than with human interventions because we often fail to understand the complexity of these systems, i.e. if the culling of bass through spearfishing will drastically reduce their numbers could this not result in a population explosion of other alien fish due to reduced predation, e.g. common carp, which arguably can do more damage to a system than bass?

Also, Loskop Dam is not a natural lake, so the species composition will drastically differ from what occurred in the river pre-1939 when the dam was constructed. The smaller species would naturally be found in areas where there is flowing water or micro-habitat where they would have adapted to the specific niche. Constructing the dam ended that right there. If you want to promote indigenous species study them and promote habitat types that are optimal for their breeding and foraging.

In my very humble opinion these conservation bodies should rather be focussing on the river and catchment health which in most cases in RSA are a way bigger threat than long established alien fish species. It's been proven over and again that alien species are way more prone to take over ecosystems which are compromised due to degradation of habitat and water quality than once which are healthy. I know they are obliged in terms of NEMBA to deal with alien fish but mind the pun... they surely have bigger fish to fry.

I'm following this case and really looking forward to the work they will publish as part of this project.

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