Assassin Beachmaster Zero or Poseidon Edible?

syfret

New member
Hi all

Long time lurker but my first post here :)

I’m sitting around the house during lock down researching fishing kit, as I’m sure many of you are. I’ve been planning on picking up a 13 / 14 foot surf rod for a while now. I think I’ve shortlisted my options down to 2 rods but I’m battling to decide between them. Hoping for some advice from owners of each.

Option 1) 13 foot Assassin Beachmaster Zero Light (3 to 5 Oz)
Option 2) 14.6 foot Poseidon Edible (? to 5 Oz)

I already own a new Spheros 6000 with 30lbs Boss Braid that I use on my Amia Zero XH HMC so my biggest question is whether I’d be able to use the same reel on either of the above rod options? Or would it be too light necessitating that I buy an 8000 or 10000 size reel for use with the rod?

I want to use the new rod for targeting edibles (mostly kob and the like) from the surf. I use my Purglas 350/2 for scratching from the rocks so I’m sorted on that front.

As for guides, the Assassin comes with Fuji Concept O (MN frame) and I think that the Poseidon comes with PB guides but I may be wrong?

Thanks in advance for any guidance!!
 

PearlJam

Member
If it was me I would take the Assasin Beachmaster Zero of those two purely based on what I have read in the past.
 

Tackle-holic

Sealiner
PearlJam wrote:
If it was me I would take the Assasin Beachmaster Zero of those two purely based on what I have read in the past.
So you have handled neither rod and are giving advice on what you have read about the Assassin?
The Poseidon Edible rods are much too new for one or two internet opinions based on what has been read, but not personally experienced to sway you away from the rod. You need somone who has used one to chime in.

Is the Assassin a qulaity piece of kit? Surely yes, as the company does not put out rubish, but why would the King Fisher put out sub-par rods when they know they are up against Assassin who clearly know their chit?

To answer a question I do know the answer to:The Beachmaster is fitted with Fuji MN guides with Aluminium Oxide rings, good qulaity.
The Poseidon Edible rods are NOT fitted with PacBay guides.
They are fitted with Seaguide XQH and XQG guides: 314 stainless frames with Zirconium inserts, their answer to Fuji's K Series. Also good. The Seaguides are not copies of the K's, just a different design-approach to reduce tangles.
BUT, getting spare guides, should you break one in a fall, will be an issue in SA.
To date, as far as I know, I am the only one in SA who has XQG's in stock.
Even then, my stock is limited and I have opted for the more expensive Silcon Nitride "Resol" rings, Sea  Guides's answer to Fuji's Torzite, or so their marketing people say.....
The KF do not have stock of spare guides, but I suspect this might change as a number of their in-house rods and Daiwa's are being fitted with these new-ish guides.
 

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Thanks bud for your input Mr B.. :)
You getting thru the rod work pile in lockdown? Our rod builder down here had everyone complaining because he was taking so long as he was so busy with a huge pile of rods to be done and reels to be serviced, and fishing masters and managing teams etc..now under lockdown I'm sure he is getting stuck in!
 

syfret

New member
Thanks a ton for the extremely thorough reply!

In your expert opinion, should I opt for the Poseidon Edible, would my Spheros 6000 suffice or be too small for the 14.6 foot rod?

I‘ve held the Poseidon Edible and I really like the feel of it. I was hoping to save on costs however by not having to purchase an 8000 or 10000 sized reel. If you think that my 6000 would be well balanced on the Poseidon Edible 14.6 foot then I may give the Poseidon a shot _seal1_

Thanks again!
 

syfret

New member
Tackle-holic wrote:
PearlJam wrote:
If it was me I would take the Assasin Beachmaster Zero of those two purely based on what I have read in the past.
So you have handled neither rod and are giving advice on what you have read about the Assassin?
The Poseidon Edible rods are much too new for one or two internet opinions based on what has been read, but not personally experienced to sway you away from the rod. You need somone who has used one to chime in.

Is the Assassin a qulaity piece of kit? Surely yes, as the company does not put out rubish, but why would the King Fisher put out sub-par rods when they know they are up against Assassin who clearly know their chit?

To answer a question I do know the answer to:The Beachmaster is fitted with Fuji MN guides with Aluminium Oxide rings, good qulaity.
The Poseidon Edible rods are NOT fitted with PacBay guides.
They are fitted with Seaguide XQH and XQG guides: 314 stainless frames with Zirconium inserts, their answer to Fuji's K Series. Also good. The Seaguides are not copies of the K's, just a different design-approach to reduce tangles.
BUT, getting spare guides, should you break one in a fall, will be an issue in SA.
To date, as far as I know, I am the only one in SA who has XQG's in stock.
Even then, my stock is limited and I have opted for the more expensive Silcon Nitride "Resol" rings, Sea  Guides's answer to Fuji's Torzite, or so their marketing people say.....
The KF do not have stock of spare guides, but I suspect this might change as a number of their in-house rods and Daiwa's are being fitted with these new-ish guides.

Thanks a ton for the extremely thorough reply!

In your expert opinion, should I opt for the Poseidon Edible, would my Spheros 6000 suffice or be too small for the 14.6 foot rod?

I‘ve held the Poseidon Edible and I really like the feel of it. I was hoping to save on costs however by not having to purchase an 8000 or 10000 sized reel. If you think that my 6000 would be well balanced on the Poseidon Edible 14.6 foot then I may give the Poseidon a shot _seal1_

Thanks again!
 

PearlJam

Member
Tackle-holic wrote:
PearlJam wrote:
If it was me I would take the Assasin Beachmaster Zero of those two purely based on what I have read in the past.
So you have handled neither rod and are giving advice on what you have read about the Assassin?
The Poseidon Edible rods are much too new for one or two internet opinions based on what has been read, but not personally experienced to sway you away from the rod. You need somone who has used one to chime in.
OK, I did not give any advice, just stated my opinion and specifically mentioned that I don't have experience and only did "desktop research".  The OP can make of it what he wants.  In the end, everyone's opinion is just opinion based on their own likes and dislikes.  Specs on paper does indeed not tell a full story.

On the one hand people want Sealine to get active on the other hand you get this sort of replies that makes you think twice to interact on this forum.
 

Tackle-holic

Sealiner
PJ,
You misudnerstood my meaning, I did not mean to offend - you have heard the BM is good based on what you have read in the past. It has been around for ages, built up a solid reputation and now is in updated Zero trim, chances are it is either just as good or better than it was, yes?

Have you heard anything about the Edible? Doubt very much as it is still too new. I've seen two YT videos, both from the Kingfisher, one describing it and one with their new ambassador taking it out; neither are definitive. But if you have heard some reports from others, SHARE THEM

I've built and cast the BM's in their old formats, but I have really only picked up an Edibles in a retail store so I don't know it.

What you and I did is exactly what the forum needs - back and forth discussion, not one post /answer to a question and the thread/topic dies. No need to think you should not offer an opinion. My opinions can be called out too, and they should be.

Regarding the reel, it might be a little on the small size physically ie might look a little odd on a long rod, try it out and see before you buy a bigger and heavier reel, it might be enough for your purposes.
 

saltysouti

New member
I only fish for edibles and i love fishing very light so when the poseidon edible came into my local store i immediately went and checked it out. My impressions were that for a 5oz rated rod it was heavy, had unnecessarily large guides (for edible class line and leader) and it didnt come standard with a bionic finger...

The spheros 6000 will be too light to pair with the poseidon edible, 8000 will be a better balance.

If you already own the spheros 6000 an excellent pairing is the blue fish 14ft. Super light super strong and you will pull most edibles no problem.

I have caught loads of decent fish with this setup this past season including this decent steenie. I have also successfully battled naughty spotties who've picked up my kob bait, lots of fun!
 

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Agree on reel size, we use the shimmy 5000 which is same size reel different spool as far as i know to shimmy 6000, for light spinning on 20lb line..For heavier stuff edibles wise in shimano i'd use a 10000 or 8000 which are the same size reels as far as I know just different spool sizes. This same size as finnor 60 or daiwa 5000/6000 I think.

Hey nice steenie bud..
 

Blikkiesvis

Sealiner
Morning!

The Assassin Beachmaster Zero Light (13ft) is a great rod! A mate of mine paired his with Saragosa 6000... I thought it will be too small for the rod, but was pleasantly surprized. The setup is super light. I pair my Beachmaster with a Sustain 10 000. Size wise its between a Gosa 10k and 6k.

The 6000 Spheros will be too small for a 15ft rod though. You should also consider line capacity, you cant get a lot of line on the smaller reels. No point of using a 15ft rod and then casting all your line out. You need at least 100-150m left on the spool, some would say more.

I agree with Saltisoutie, the Spheros 6000 will balance well with a Assassin Blue Fish 13/14ft.

Just a recap on Shimano reel sizes:

The Saragosa (and Spheros) 10k & 8K is the same reel with the 10K just having a bigger spool, it is slightly heavier. The Saragosa (and Spheros) 6k & 5k is also the same reel with the 6k having the bigger spool and being slightly heavier. The weight in the "bigger" reels are insignificant and in my opinion it will always be better to go for the "bigger" reel since it will hold more line. The 10&8 size reels are much bigger than the 6&5 sizes.

The same goes for Shimano 5000 & 4000 reels as well as 3000 & 2500 sizes.

The 5000 Shimano Sustain, Stradic, Nasci, Sahara are all the same size and smaller that the Saragosa and Spheros 5000.
 

rbacht

Sealiner
I might as well add my experience...

I have the old 13 foot BeachMaster Light 3-5oz) paired with a Torium 14. I could not be happier with this light combo. Yes, one day I will get a pakslae as I am sure that little Tor14 does not hold enoug line, but so far so good playing with the edibles.

I can only assume the newer Beachmaster Zero will also deliver.
 

Tackle-holic

Sealiner
rbacht wrote:
I might as well add my experience...

I have the old 13 foot BeachMaster Light 3-5oz) paired with a Torium 14. I could not be happier with this light combo. Yes, one day I will get a pakslae as I am sure that little Tor14 does not hold enough line, but so far so good playing with the edibles.

You could always fill the Torium 14 with 50lb braid or braid and a short-ish, say 150m, mono top shot if casting braid on multiplier gives you the heebie jeebies.

Although magged correctly it is really not scarey at all.
 

syfret

New member
Chaps, thanks to all who have offered advice! It’s greatly appreciated.

I think my best bet will be to keep my 6000 for use with my 11 foot Amia Zero HMC. I’ll pick up an 8000 or 10000 and opt for a 14.6 foot rod, either the Poseidon Edible or the Beachmaster Zero Medium XL.

Thanks again!! Stay safe and healthy!

S
 

SPARRABOS

Sealiner
Beach master zero... Tonne vis op klippe gevang.... Sterk... Lekker stok... Hom goed getoets laas winter.... Gaan na lockdown nog een koop... Lololo... Net ogies roes... Vervang hul maar as nodig.... _seal1_
 

syfret

New member
saltysouti wrote:
I only fish for edibles and i love fishing very light so when the poseidon edible came into my local store i immediately went and checked it out. My impressions were that for a 5oz rated rod it was heavy, had unnecessarily large guides (for edible class line and leader) and it didnt come standard with a bionic finger...

The spheros 6000 will be too light to pair with the poseidon edible, 8000 will be a better balance.

If you already own the spheros 6000 an excellent pairing is the blue fish 14ft. Super light super strong and you will pull most edibles no problem.

I have caught loads of decent fish with this setup this past season including this decent steenie. I have also successfully battled naughty spotties who've picked up my kob bait, lots of fun!

Dude, that’s a beauty!! Nicely done _seal1_
 

PearlJam

Member
Tackle-holic wrote:
PJ,
You misudnerstood my meaning, I did not mean to offend - you have heard the BM is good based on what you have read in the past. It has been around for ages, built up a solid reputation and now is in updated Zero trim, chances are it is either just as good or better than it was, yes?

Have you heard anything about the Edible? Doubt very much as it is still too new. I've seen two YT videos, both from the Kingfisher, one describing it and one with their new ambassador taking it out; neither are definitive. But if you have heard some reports from others, SHARE THEM
Yes, I have only seen the two ASFN videos on the Edible.  Unfortunately most people don't get to fish with all rods and can get first hand experience.  I have bought a few rods based on what I read, as I have not found a shop that is willing to let you borrow a rod to feel how it casts (which is a big problem).  An example is the Makaira that I bought, it is technically a very good rod, but I just don't feel comfortable with it.  So even if someone with personal experience post an opinion (other than specs that is available online), it is still as biased as my desktop research opinion. I still believe what is the most perfect rod for one person might be the worst for the next based on personal preference. 

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