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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 11:16 am
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The Urchin
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Your opinion :

A.  Bait presentation is more relevant than Cast distance or placement in the water ?

B. Cast distance or placement in the water is more relevant than bait pesentation ?

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I am going with A. Bait presentation is the key

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 11:22 am
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B. with emphasis on placement.

doesn't matter how good your presentation is, if you throw in a place where there is no fish, you aint gonna get no bite.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 11:55 am
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i will say both A and B - if you arent presenting the food well, the kerels wont eat it.
Of course placement is important! dont throw your hook onto the rocks and expect a fish to bite the bait.
On other occasions one needs the distance, but one can locate fishing areas to accomodate casting abilities as per rig/set-up.
Wherever you cast your bait will be sniffed out. More often than not the fish are under your nose.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 12:14 pm
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i agree with psy.

i think you should rather say if the water conditions are important or not, bait presentation and placement are two factors that go together its the conditions of the water that determine if fish are around. I can safely say that most people will say that water conditions plays a important role in salt water fishing.

A: right presentation in ruff seas.

B: right presentation in smooth seas.

which one of the two would one be most successful.?

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i would then go with B

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 12:17 pm
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A combination of both, no point throwing a good presentation in a poor spot and vice versa plus a little bit of distance helps , taking into consideration the tides , and the area u fishing in , sandy , rocky, deep , shallow, channels etc. should determine placement of well presented bait.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 12:37 pm
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I am aware of what you guys are saying,
what I want to know is if you had to choose
what option would you go for. Alot of people
throw in the gulleys, holes etc but dont catch
fish due to poor presentation, alot of guys could
become part time sushi chefs as their baits look
amazing, but have no clue where to cast and get no
catches, some have the best of both worlds.
Basically if you had to choose, what woud you sacrifice
presentation, or position ? I just want to get inside others heads to see what they consider gets them more fish.
Everyone has a theory of what is more important, like guys who dont target spots, they just cast as hard and far as they can and leave it wherever the bait lands, they believe the deeper the better.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 12:50 pm
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Well I dont know, most guys can tie a decent bait, but not many can throw a mile, now i have seen in comps and social fishing, the less experienced angler, if I can call them that, get better fish than the guys throwing 160 plus, last comp the guys fished ok, and got a few fish, but the biggest fish came from a guy that cant cast more than 100m and it was a 38kg grey. this in a area where you must throw deep to get the fish, figure that one out!!!!!!!

This is not the first or last time i think i will wittness fish being caught like this.

KK

PS, work the water you are fishing, good baits short and long casts, figure out where the fish are, thats what i try, when im in the mood otherwise i just drink!!!!!

Last edited on Wed Feb 11th, 2009 12:54 pm by khalaharikid

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 12:55 pm
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casting distance does not always mean you got to throw 140m, it could be 3m.

Just in December the guys at tugela waded and where throwing 100m sat hig and dry, I took my 12 scratching stick and litteraly dropped it 2m in front of me, had plenty fun with the small eds...........okay also must say that I had pretty damn sexy baits.

Personally I think that even if your presentation is *** but your placement is perfect you will get baits. but if you combine the two placement and good presentation you will have more success.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 01:21 pm
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The Urchin wrote: I am aware of what you guys are saying,
what I want to know is if you had to choose
what option would you go for. Alot of people
throw in the gulleys, holes etc but dont catch
fish due to poor presentation, alot of guys could
become part time sushi chefs as their baits look
amazing, but have no clue where to cast and get no
catches, some have the best of both worlds.
Basically if you had to choose, what woud you sacrifice
presentation, or position ? I just want to get inside others heads to see what they consider gets them more fish.
Everyone has a theory of what is more important, like guys who dont target spots, they just cast as hard and far as they can and leave it wherever the bait lands, they believe the deeper the better.
Ok then i"d say presentation is more important as u could throw in a not so hot spot but if the presentation is good :ie scent and attractive colours , something is bound to come and investigate, i say this cos u might get to a spot where u are not familiar with the underwater structure so u might be throwing in a not to good spot , but at least the bait u got on looks and smells good which should draw some attention.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 01:26 pm
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The Guys that can cast will always catch much more fish , in my experience.The difference between a dead bank and a hole full of fish is sometimes only 10m.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 01:30 pm
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KLIPVIS wrote: The Guys that can cast will always catch much more fish , in my experience.The difference between a dead bank and a hole full of fish is sometimes only 10m.

that comes back to reading the water.......placement.

were is Trophy and Ocean Hunter? your comments will be appreciated.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 01:44 pm
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skrops wrote:

were is Trophy and Ocean Hunter? your comments will be appreciated.

They are probably fishing - Lucky buggers. LOL:wfish

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 01:48 pm
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khalaharikid wrote: Well I dont know, most guys can tie a decent bait, but not many can throw a mile, now i have seen in comps and social fishing, the less experienced angler, if I can call them that, get better fish than the guys throwing 160 plus, last comp the guys fished ok, and got a few fish, but the biggest fish came from a guy that cant cast more than 100m and it was a 38kg grey. this in a area where you must throw deep to get the fish, figure that one out!!!!!!!

This is not the first or last time i think i will wittness fish being caught like this.

KK

PS, work the water you are fishing, good baits short and long casts, figure out where the fish are, thats what i try, when im in the mood otherwise i just drink!!!!!



hey KK, don't know how I missed this post of yours..............feeling ignored yet?

some good advice there, also the reason why I like my sinker to roll, get more coverage that way, instead of sinker just sitting vas in one spot.

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 Posted: Wed Feb 11th, 2009 02:01 pm
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I'd sacrifice presentation. Plenty a fish have fallen to a blob bait (I believe its one of the best chokka baits out there), and there is very little art to presenting a fish head for non-edibles.

Here is something interesting to add to this. Over December I experimented by sliding any bait out a second time if I caught a fish on it and the bait was still intact (damaged, yes, but useable). Caught fish 100% of the time on the second round, even with people mocking me for doing it. This happened twice on whole chokka and twice on yellowtail heads i.e. 4 baits that were re-used. Fluke? Maybe...

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skrops wrote: khalaharikid wrote: Well I dont know, most guys can tie a decent bait, but not many can throw a mile, now i have seen in comps and social fishing, the less experienced angler, if I can call them that, get better fish than the guys throwing 160 plus, last comp the guys fished ok, and got a few fish, but the biggest fish came from a guy that cant cast more than 100m and it was a 38kg grey. this in a area where you must throw deep to get the fish, figure that one out!!!!!!!

This is not the first or last time i think i will wittness fish being caught like this.

KK

PS, work the water you are fishing, good baits short and long casts, figure out where the fish are, thats what i try, when im in the mood otherwise i just drink!!!!!



hey KK, don't know how I missed this post of yours..............feeling ignored yet?

some good advice there, also the reason why I like my sinker to roll, get more coverage that way, instead of sinker just sitting vas in one spot.


OK I like this idea of a rolling sinker, makes sense, but clearly it depnds on the currents ??

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I wud say a combo of both but i sway more towards B ...

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I think its a combination of A,B and luck.
I have seen where "Pro" fisherman was standing a a spot and explained to me that no fish where being caught and that they where packing up.
Here comes a bleeding vaalie with little experience baiting first throw 40cm elf, next one bigger. (I was 15 years of age)
Next thing everyone wants try to bump me of my spot.

All I say is people will fish same spot with same bait/presentation casting are and not get the same luck

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icstuff wrote: I think its a combination of A,B and luck.
I have seen where "Pro" fisherman was standing a a spot and explained to me that no fish where being caught and that they where packing up.
Here comes a bleeding vaalie with little experience baiting first throw 40cm elf, next one bigger. (I was 15 years of age)
Next thing everyone wants try to bump me of my spot.

All I say is people will fish same spot with same bait/presentation casting are and not get the same luck


Ok icstuff..........YOUR FIRED !!!! ( Donald Trump Accent )

We know it is a combo of all these things, BUT if one had
to sacrifice the rest and go with one option what would  be your most
important choice to go with, be.

:fbash

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