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 Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 12:18 pm
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Please if there is guys that can give me some insight into rod blanks available in south africa. I did some research and came up with this.

Blue marlin does not have a T53 rod blank that is rated for more than a 8 oz sinker

The t24 blank you can get in a 8 0z rating.

The guys from purglass have a blank 400/8 witch they regon would make a very good non ed rod.

The question I have is that if this is the blanks available in south africa from our logal guys what tipe of blanks are beening uses by the guys to make heavy graphite rods. It seems to me that one can use any blank for that matter, put a label on it with some fancy specs and sell it for a lot of money. If you compare the prices on blanks available in south africa and the price of the rods made there is one hell of a price diff. 

I am also in progress to bring in some graphite rod blanks from chine via a contact of mine to see how they compare to our logal blanks. I got some info on the Chineese blanks but still waiting for a hard copy with all the info, that I'll only get once the blanks is in the country.

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 Posted: Tue Nov 10th, 2009 02:12 pm
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Frikkie

Without going into an elaborate discussion on  RSA-blanks,of which I dont know too much anyway,just the following.In the Purglass range you can arguably cast an 8oz with the stroke 5 rod, remember these strokes differ from manufacturer to manufacturer.With a stroke 6 Purglass, even a 10 oz wont be a problem from a breakage point of view.according to you they manufacture up to stroke 8(probably special request) with which you can basically cast unlimited as per their catalogue.In fact their catalogue,states that unlimited starts at stroke 5 I think.

Google Purglass them and check out their catalogue.

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The purglas 'unlimited' rating starts at stroke 4. Rodbuilders here in PE allege that the blue marlins are rated very conservatively. for example a stroke 6(t53), rated 6oz by bm, they say can cast an 8 or 9 oz. The guys who build rods will be able to shed more light on the issue

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Marius, its very true what you say about the Blue Marlin blanks being rated conservativly. I fish with a Blue Marlin 430/7 and it easily casts a 8oz sinker and a large head. A stroke 8 should be plenty stiff enough to cast any sinker, i find it actually too stiff.

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intresting topic im learning something here.Great stuff always wonderd wat the strokes meant. thanks.
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interesting topic....

the pentagon heavy hmg is a t53 blank rated @ 7-9oz.   Now this rod I can only load properly with a 10oz and a big bait!

a 9oz is too light for this rod....

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kitefisher wrote: Frikkie

Without going into an elaborate discussion on  RSA-blanks,of which I dont know too much anyway,just the following.In the Purglass range you can arguably cast an 8oz with the stroke 5 rod, remember these strokes differ from manufacturer to manufacturer.With a stroke 6 Purglass, even a 10 oz wont be a problem from a breakage point of view.according to you they manufacture up to stroke 8(probably special request) with which you can basically cast unlimited as per their catalogue.In fact their catalogue,states that unlimited starts at stroke 5 I think.

Google Purglass them and check out their catalogue.


I've been testing my /5 and it casts a 6oz and 6oz bait no probs (12oz)

Powercasting with 10oz also no duress on the rod

Frikkie.  The 6-8oz T53 short heavy tip has no problem with a 12oz in a full cast or a 5oz plus a 12oz trow bait

The South African market knows how to build rods for the South African angler.

The Purglass /8 was built for comming off age ceremonies in North Hawaii where GT/Tuna and Marlin are caught from the shore.  The reel is locked on 80lbs tackle and the bait (Whole Occie or Bonnie) is shot in with big catapult).  The rod is then placed in a hole drilled into the basalt rock

Fish picks up and battles against the rod, then when 3 men can pry the rod from the hole the boy who is to become a man is then harnassed to the rod and pen senator (the drag of which is locked) and he must then battle his giant and if he lands it he is a man.  I once saw some movie footage of this and I now understand why they made this brute of a rod.

YOu will find the right blanks in China because they were all copied directly from Blue Marling and Assassin by some wholesalers who took the short cut of sending an SA Blanks to the east to copy instead of designing and developing their own.

SO although you will be importing them from a factory you will be importing a copy of a rod that was originally a South African design and concept.

It's cheaper to import a complete Chinese made rod because there is no duties on the complete rod but the manufacturers of Carbon rods in South Africa have to pay a 35% duty on their carbon pre-preg sheets because it is not solely used in fishing applications

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 Posted: Wed Nov 11th, 2009 02:24 am
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If anyone want to test new rods i will be more than willing

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Rods...Rods...Rods

I do 80% of my shark fishing on custom built L&F and Elbe blanks.

I can belt a 9oz sinker all day with no worry about the rod snapping. Most of these rods are between 5 - 9 years old now.

Just some food for thought!

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YOu will find the right blanks in China because they were all copied directly from Blue Marling and Assassin by some wholesalers who took the short cut of sending an SA Blanks to the east to copy instead of designing and developing their own.




Hiya Enigma,

I have it on good authority that even Blue Marlin have resorted to having some of their BM branded blanks made in the East now?

If I remember correctly it was all the 3 piece rods?

 

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Trophy wrote: Rods...Rods...Rods

I do 80% of my shark fishing on custom built L&F and Elbe blanks.

I can belt a 9oz sinker all day with no worry about the rod snapping. Most of these rods are between 5 - 9 years old now.

Just some food for thought!


My favourite shark rod is also 7 years old, its a old school purglas stroke 5 custom built by Chris Uys. No fancy HMG or anything. To be honest after pulling a fish with a stiff HMG, I can feel it much worse that with the old purglas.

Now theres some food for thought

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Trophy wrote: Enigma wrote:
YOu will find the right blanks in China because they were all copied directly from Blue Marling and Assassin by some wholesalers who took the short cut of sending an SA Blanks to the east to copy instead of designing and developing their own.




Hiya Enigma,

I have it on good authority that even Blue Marlin have resorted to having some of their BM branded blanks made in the East now?

If I remember correctly it was all the 3 piece rods?

 



They do import  a range of 2 piece and 3 piece rods (2 piece for freshwater).  This due to the argument I indicated in the above post that it saves him the 35% duties.  Magnafles, Vectra etc, etc

The T53 is however made here locally.  If he divulged his trade secrets then within no time there would be a Sensation of Pioneer and whatever other Brand of T53 on the market.

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As a further clarification on the Stroke raings of the rods.

Blue Marlin stroke refers to the oz rating of the T24 rods.  The same Mandrel is then used with the T53 which is way stronger and way stiffer and therefore the ability of a HMG heavy casting 12oz on a 6-8oz rod.  See it as follows with the 6-8oz it means 8oz with a bait (4oz) = 12oz or more for casting

Purglas works on a completely diferent system starting from /0 which refers to the entry level blank /2 means /0 plus 2 layers of Graphite etc, etc so with Purglas a /2 is 4-6oz and a /6 is a 9-12oz

All Purglas is still made in Durban but as from Feb next year they'll be made in Sasolburg

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I have the T53 - 420/7+1, and used an 8 ounce sinker on it, and it does not load propoerly, no matter how how hard I tried.
My L&F Sharkey I load perfectly with an 8 or 9 ounce.

With the T53, I cast out an 8 ounce sinker + a smoothhound head about 80m, and got myself a nice big bronzie. It can really handle it!!!

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@ enigma what is a purglass 300/1 rated for?

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steve m wrote: @ enigma what is a purglass 300/1 rated for?


300 = 3m length

/1 = as Enigma explained about the wraps on the mandrel


I would guess it at about a 3-4 ounce rod - just a guess :fbash but then what do I know - Enigma?

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Spot on Misguide.

3-4oz with bait or 5oz lure.

Equivalent to a 300/4 Blue Marlin T24.

The 300/1 is an absolute awesome spooning or light plugging stick and is so light you can spin all day with them.

Quite a few guys have 350/1 for freshwater fishing, long casting with a short and extremely light rod

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shot misguide and enigma i use it for elf and galjoen also for spinning for elf and cob going to put a torium 14 on it soon.

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Craig, we supposed be in Jeffreys doing a spot of fishing!   :doh  ...   I should have gone!

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I can't put my trip off -

Paid and booked for Walvis from 17-20th for business but not much twisting my rubber arm to get me to try my hand with a Bronzie or 2.

Marius just picked up my /6  3 piece Purglas.  Will do a quick build tomorrow and post some pic's.  There's and anxious Namibian waiting for his  Shark Pole.

Steve M.

That is the perfect application for that rod and reel.  I've got a similar setup but I built it with a slightly longer butt on it and rig it with a Tica Sceptre Spinning reel for the same application and have 2 spools one with 20lbs and the other 30lbs

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