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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 04:00 pm
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A decade ago, my question about ET (extra-terrestrial) would have been greeted with nervous laughter, curling toes or embarrassed silence. Perhaps even a contemptuous sneer.

So it was extraordinary to find myself sitting before a respected huddle of planet hunters with the Government's Science Minister, Malcolm Wicks, last week as they declared they believe in aliens.

Seven leading British astronomers were briefing the minister in a session entitled "Is there life out there? - Other Earth-like or habitable planets" in the bowels of the Department of Trade and Industry, when I put to them two questions: is there alien life?

And if there is, do you think it is intelligent?

Until recently, the assembled scientists would (quite rightly) have pointed out that there is no universally accepted definition of life, let alone of intelligence. Any talk of smart extraterrestrials belonged in science fiction.

Today, our understanding of the cosmos has changed so much that for the first time searching for signs of life in other solar systems is not just a philosopher's dream but on the list of planned human endeavours. All the scientists I questioned agreed that alien life is inevitable and ubiquitous.

And all but one believe it could be intelligent - ie with the faculty of reasoning and understanding

Some even think we will find some form of life on our doorstep. Prof John Zarnecki of The Open University bullishly told the minister: "My position is very simple. We will find extinct or some life in the solar system."

He believes primitive bugs, or their remains, will be found in 2015 when a European Space Agency mission will land on Mars to dig into its dusty red surface.

After all, once upon a time Mars was a warmer, wetter and more comfortable place. And he has high hopes for a future mission to the icy moon Europa, the heart of which is warmed by tidal forces as it orbits Jupiter. "We shall find life on Europa in 2023," he told us with determination.

Why so confident? Our own planet proves that life can flourish quickly. The first creatures evolved on primordial Earth with indecent haste, only half a billion years or so after its birth 4.5 billion years ago, and microbes have now been found in the most inhospitable nooks and crannies, able to dine on wet rock or thrive without sunshine.

This prompted Dr Ian Stevens of the University of Birmingham to speculate that other planets must support life, too: "My guess is life is common out there." But it is the discovery of almost 300 worlds orbiting distant stars that has excited experts the most.

Their rising confidence that the conditions might exist somewhere for the development of intelligent alien life comes from their conviction that they will find many Earth-like planets that are in what they call the "Goldilocks zone" (where conditions on the planet are not too hot and not too cold but "just right", so that liquid water is present and life could evolve).

There are formidable challenges facing planet hunters given the vastness of our cosmos.

The most distant man-made object is Voyager 1, launched 30 years ago and now around 10 billion miles away.

While it takes light a day to travel from the aged probe to Earth, the glow of the nearest star takes four years, while the light from most stars we can see at night takes hundreds, or even thousands of years to reach us.

Spotting a planet in orbit around these points of light is a daunting task, likened to detecting the glow of a lighthouse keeper's cigarette from miles away when the beam of his lighthouse is shining directly at you.

But in 1992, scientists realised that it was possible to find distant worlds when Alexander Wolszczan of Pennsylvania State University found a planet orbiting a neutron star (the remnant of a stellar explosion).

Of all the places that astronomers expected to find alien planets, this was not one of them.

"It was a ridiculous place to have a planet," said Dr Stevens. "But it was there." Three years later, a team working at the Geneva Observatory in Switzerland made headlines worldwide when they found something like our own solar system, a planet orbiting an alien sun called 51 Pegasi.

Planet hunters rely on measurements of exquisite precision to find alien worlds.

They search for the minute effects of an orbiting body on its parent star - a drop in brightness as the planet passes in front (the transit method), or a tiny shift in starlight, caused by a wobble in the star's position as it is tugged by the gravitational pull of its planet. The effects are subtle: our own Sun moves at a baby's crawl in response to the gravity of the Earth as it zips around at 67,000 miles per hour.

The CoRot (pronounced "Coreau'') mission blasted off last December carrying the first telescope capable of finding rocky planets only a few times the size of the Earth around sun-like stars using the transit method.

To detect such a planet, the one-foot telescope would have to register a tiny dimming lasting a few hours, every time the planet goes around the star, said Dr Suzanne Aigrain of the University of Exeter. It will take more sophisticated space telescopes (planned in the next decade) to reveal an Earth-like twin with oxygen and liquid water, but CoRot is expected to show where to look for one within months.

In about 15 years, a European Space Agency mission called Darwin will send a flotilla of telescopes above our turbulent atmosphere to scan 500 stars within a distance of 60 light years from us, then study 50 alien planets to seek signs of life, in the form of bacteria, plants or animals.

Prof Glenn White, of The Open University and Rutherford Appleton lab, said: "We are pretty sure that we will have an extremely high probability of telling you whether life has started on a planet. By around 2020 we will have very definitive answers."

Dr Michael Perryman, of the European Space Agency, added that even now it is possible to analyse light from an alien planet, "which is staggering".

Seeing abundant oxygen would be encouraging, since oxygen reacts rapidly and gets destroyed. If found with other gases, notably ozone, nitrous oxide and methane, it would suggest a "biosphere" teeming with creatures. Although he was the only scientist present who doubted there was intelligent alien life, arguing that Earth's circumstances are too special to be replicated, Dr Perryman said he would not be surprised if biologists soon reported signatures that hinted at habitable planets.

What kind of life do we expect? The smart money is on most aliens being microbes.

But no one can rule out the possibility of higher life forms.

Or that they could thrive in pools of liquid methane, on dry dusty worlds, be silicon based, or even waft about as organised clouds. What should we do if we detect a message from an alien? "This will have profound consequences for how we see ourselves," says Prof Keith Mason, chief executive, Science and Technology Facilities Council.

The news will not reach the public until a process of verification and approval is exhausted, in the best tradition of earthly bureaucracy.

Leaks to the press seem likely, given the Byzantine notification process in the 1989 "Declaration of Principles Concerning Activities Following the Detection of Extraterrestrial Intelligence". But all this talk of what we will do is very one sided. Dr Perryman told the minister that aliens could now be eavesdropping on our radio and television. "As from 1927, we have been propagating outwards from Earth, a very specific indicator of our existence.

" These radio waves have since travelled 80 light years out into the universe.

"That is going to encompass many hundreds of potentially habitable planets," he said. "If there is intelligent life out there, they sure as hell know we are here."

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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 06:57 pm
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UFO sightings on the bluff last week, reports indicate red lights hovering near the old whaling station and 3 slim figures seen reported walking up the dunes.

A woman also reports having her car cut out when 3 figures walked into the middle of the road, apparently her cell phone went dead aswell and the car and cell phone only worked again when the 3 tall slim figures dressed in over coats walked into the bush near the arm base.

This is a true story google it or check ECR news archives.

As far as i'm concerned, these bluff okkies where probably goofed on wacky weed.

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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 07:02 pm
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someone always has to spoil it for me! :cry1

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UFO on the Bluff, too much Durban poison if you ask me

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 Posted: Sun Apr 25th, 2010 08:35 pm
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I believe in essence, that ANYTHING is possible.. You don't really think that we are the ONLY species in the world? There are so so many thing's undiscovered by man alone.. so many animal's and insects.. flower's.. etc.. what make's another life form any different? I'm open minded about other form's of life.. Wether it be to complicated of thought and mind.

Do you belive in God? well then..ask yourself on other aspects of life .

@ Tuna

Talking of the area you mentioned, you may be right there! :lol:1

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if you don't believe there isn't life on other planets you don't believe in life itself.

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Simen wrote: My philosophy

if you don't believe there isn't life on other planets you don't believe in life itself.

Dido! Well said Simen.  :clap12:clap12:clap12:clap12

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Statistically it's impossible that life does not exist anywhere else.

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Ok, let me explain why I believe there has to be life somewhere else, where that somewhere else is I dont know, so my somewhere is not on our planet earth.

I am going to give 2 reasons, one being a scientific reasoning, the other being a religious reasoning. ( please guys my religious argument is not to influence or argue with any other person regardless his religion)

Scientific reason.

We (people on earth) have created the strongest telescope we are currently capable of creating, but it is a known fact that it still cannot see as far as the universe stretches. I am not just saying this, it is a known fact.

Just to simplify the explanation lets say the moon is 10 000km from earth. Our current strongest telescope can see to the moon. So we look up to the moon and say we cant see any life there, so lets except there's no life.

The next week we build a space ship that can fly to the moon. BUT now we load our telescope on it and erect it on the moon. Once on the moon we can now look 10 000 km further into the universe.  Next week we move to --- and to--- and so on.

UNTIL we have not seen and explored the furthest piece of universe how can we say there is no life out there.

Religious reason.

I was brought up believing that God created the earth and everything on it.

So I should think we all have to admit that God is a mighty powerful "Guy" to do all this.

Again for simplifying the argument, lets say the earth as we know it is only 10 000years old.

Now the big question.

If God created earth 10 000years ago, what did he so to speak do 11000 years ago?

A Being with that strength and capability, wont just wake up one morning and say "Today I am creating the earth"

The question again arises, where was God before he created earth. the Bible says he was always there.

Now the question arises WHERE IS THERE??

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Somewhere in the Bibel it is said that creatures from outer space was here and they found our wiemen attractive - which is probably where you and I come from ;-) Seriously, look it up. There are also mentioned in the Bibel of prehistoric animals and of giants. There are also things about the piramids not figured out to date, which was speculated to be influences from ET's.

As for life on other planets, it may not be in the form we expect it to be. They may even be spirits or even exist as 'gasses', no one really knows yet. Of course the ultimate would be to find the planet full of beautifull nekked wieman that brew beer and absolutely loves fishing.

There may even exist another earth in a parallel with our's, which means you may come face to face with your own identical replica. Although just speculation and theories, there are many testimonies of people who claims what they saw is waht they saw and experienced.

Maybe they look like us, or similar, hopefully they have more advanced technologies and better transport. It sucks driving like we have to to get to fishing spots.

This is only an animation, someone's imagination at work, but may well exist elsewhere - you're going to love this !

http://www.spike.com/video/rockfish/2650473


Amazingly how rediculously small earth is wrt everything else out there.

Now the question arises WHERE IS THERE??
Never mind that, how big is Heaven going to be if every one ever existed is going there !

They claim that black holes is the way one can travel almost instantaniously from one place in space to another. One has to keep in mind our reference blocks are extremely limited to discrete things we can see and touch, and out minds are limited to only two dimentional thinking with depth, but if we are confronted with a 3D problem, our minds fall off the log. Just that little insight is what stands between man and genius, it may mean using a little bit more of the almost nothing we use of our brains currently.

Man's limited brain use so by design, or on purpose ?

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Then of course there is the matter of 'time', a substance invented by the English.

We reference 'time' in terms of a simple rotation around the sun and the moon around us which gives us days and years - but is there a 'bigger rotation' somewhere, where time doesn't exist, they claim at the speed of light time would stand still, but would it.

If ET's do exist in other places, would they live longer because they 'travel' faster through space than we do ? It may well be possible to travel from one galaxy to another in a split second where you won't age, but back on earth many many thousands of years may go by. So time could be a very relative term.

Then there's the matter of reincarnation. We all know that Rembrandt was a painter once, and today he's a cigerette, but who says you haven't lived before in another time.

So many things eh.

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I find it amazing, that since the advent of digital cameras, digital video cameras, and cameras on cell phones, the number of UFO sightings, and blurry photographs of UFOs  has dropped dramatically.

Surely with all the new technology, there should be more photos???

Ian F the sceptic

 

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 Posted: Mon Apr 26th, 2010 06:56 am
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Ian F wrote: I find it amazing, that since the advent of digital cameras, digital video cameras, and cameras on cell phones, the number of UFO sightings, and blurry photographs of UFOs  has dropped dramatically.

Surely with all the new technology, there should be more photos???

Ian F the sceptic

 


Ian F-- here I have to agree with you, however i would like to mention one example.

A couple of years ago a UFO was reported to have landed near a school  ( primary) in Zimbabwe.

it was reported that the aliens actually climbed out of the UFO and was outside for a couple of minutes.

As usual first on the scene was the guys from the good old US of A.

They questioned all the kids that saw the UFO and alien "people" and asked the kids to make a drawing.  (REMEMBER THESE ARE PRIMARY SCHOOL KIDS).

The found that all the kids questioned stories matched so close that it could not have been a pre-manufactured story to get publicity.

Also the drawings made by the kids where so close that even there no fabrication was found.

THEN as usual---- And this is the part that I dont understand-

All of an American sudden ( which is faster than a ZIMBABWEAN sudden) the school is reallocated, the children and their homes reallocated etc,etc.

Rosswell,  area 52 USA --same story UFO is said to have crashed there-- Go try and find the people that lived there--NIKS, NADA, NOTHING. After the US army was there the inhabitants vanished into thin air.

WHAT ARE THEY HIDING, COVERING UP??????

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The 1st thing you learn about urban legends (I get tons of these emails across my desk), is that they NEVER have a valid contact name or number or address at the bottom of the story. If they do happen to have one, and you do happen to check, the turn out to be false.

So, for me, if I cannot speak to the person 1st hand, the person it ACTUALLY happened to, the the story has no credibility.

Vist the http://www.snopes.com website to see how many stories are doing the rounds.

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Off course Aliens exist !! Where do u think Julius comes from ?

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They do exist! Check out all the illegal ones right here in SA ::S

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Here's something to think abt.

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:(KJV)

Look at the word REPLENISH , in order for something to be replenished , it had to be plenished (filled before)...right??

So if adam and eve had to replenish the earth then the question is who inhabited the earth 1st??

Ever wondered what happened to the fallen angels. See when 1/3 of angels that was kicked out of heaven some of them where allowed to stay on earth as spirit beings ,till the coming of the Lord and then finally all of them will be cast in the lake of fire.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

Then we wonder why ppl get demon possessed.
These spirits roam the earth looking for a body to possess so that they can fulfill their needs and desires.

Ever asked yourself how can a person be drunk 24/7?

How can someone be addicted to gambling when in his right mind he knows he cant provide basic needs for his family yet as soon as he gets paid he's off the casino??

What drives ppl to do that? Is it the person themselves or "something" driving them to do it?

Theres lots of things we have no clue abt that goes on in the spiritual realm and we call it "alien invasion"

L-H

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JustPlainSHARK wrote: They do exist! Check out all the illegal ones right here in SA ::S

 

oO( O no.. I can see where this tread is heading towards)

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If you look at the size of the earth, and the size of our sun system, then it is minutely minute compared to what is out there. We have not yet see a fraction of a fraction of what is out there. This taken into consideration, then there is more than likely to be a lot of life out there. If the stars are as plentifull as the sand in the sea, how big are we any way. Just pick one grain of sand, imagine it's earth, then compare it with the rest that is out there.

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What really concerns me is the message that we are sending out into the universe. All the television broadcasting which includes violence, pornography, even WWE wrestling. What must the aliens think of us? No wonder they don't want to come visit us... ::S

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