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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 07:18 pm
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This topic is just too huge to get a handle on!

I have been through and forward and back on this one since my early twenties, but most people have such fixed positions that it cannot really be debated, so I have given up!

My thoughts have changed over the years, yet I am no closer to an answer, as is not ONE living person on this planet...

And religion does come into it

So just random things--they all relate to this fascinating topic

-Does God ( a Creator) exist

- If he does, who created him?

-If he does not, who created matter/primordial gas, etc etc that the universe consists/started off with in the first place?

-Have not read all the posts, but reference was made to ALIENS? in the Bible on the first page...they were the Nephelim ( sons of GOD) and mated with the daughters of Man...their offspring were the giants, mighty worriers, Nimrod was one of them

-If you believe the Bible, then there was a VERY different world before and after NOAH...it is written there in plain English..mindboggling stuff, go read it!

-I battle with how essentially inorganic material could turn to organic and start reproducing on this planet all by itself

- I have a problem with the Old Testament because there were a lot of politics around regarding which books to include in about 300 AD...Emperor Constantine and his new Roman Church had a lot to do with it ( go Google it..you can find the minutes of those meetings and the skullduggery that went on)

-The Genesis account cannot be right..too many contradictions in the first few chapters..Go read Gen 1 and 2 intelligently

- I have seen the Holy Spirit move mightly

-The earth IS as old as Carbon dating tells us..it is science, the same stuff that makes your cellphone work

-There IS a spiritual world out there...I have seen my late wife's hands completely heal in front of my own eyes in 30 minutes after being seriously burnt and laying on off hands.. good friends of mine were present and will testify to that

-I have had experiences with the occult when I was young and curious

-There is clearvoyancy in my family and my Grandmother and my dad and his 6 siblings were exposed to terrible stuff (  Afrikaans goelery) for seven years in the early fifties

-Most of this stuff is the work of familiar spirits "demons" for the lack of a better word

- These spirits and other things that go bump in the night are as old as time and obviously live in another dimension

-I studied both Geology and Zoology at University, so have a good grasp of time and evolution

-Of the late few years, I have been battling with evolution as well..simply too few fossils of "intermediary" species with all the science at our disposal and so many looking for them for so long!

-Also too many species around considering "growing" up in the same environment...  for example how many different fish evolving in the same water at the same temperature fighting over the same food?)..supposed to have all evolved the same I should think...why do we have that joker, the hammerhead shark?...which part of the ocean did he evolve in?  :)

- So I have no firm believes anymore

-There HAS to be other life..we are SO arrogant as a race to think that conditions has to be the same as ours to support life!...after all, the spiritual world is "life" also and they live on/near earth and is VERY intelligent life! They dont eat and drink and do not even NEED a planet... They could also be living very far away.. we simply don't know.

-There are billions of Galaxies so much older than our own little solar system where live could have evolved or been "created"

-There is so much hype around this thing and some authors are revered for their works, but yet will be going into the same box as you and I and have no clue how to to fix their cellphones!  I once read a 800 page book by a chap that proved GOD HAS to exist through applied maths!

Does "GOD" exist?..yes I think so, but he is not alone!

Has God and Jesus and all the great prophets of time have a say in our Salvation?...I don't honestly know

But there HAS to be life out there amongst all the matter/anti matter in the universe

If it is ONLY us, you have to go with Genesis and the creation story ( created only us in His image)....I can't!

 

Fat lot said quickly!    :)

Here is what vexes me though:

Before there was ANYTHING, there must have been NOTHING...the universe and the matter in it can be dated, it has NOT always existed!

So where did the SOMETHING (matter) come from?

And once again, if God made it, then where does God come from and who made him?

We will find these answers one at a time as we all die one at a time....because there IS life after death and we will be looking from the outside in

And we will know who steals quota and keep undersize fish!

 

PS:

I am wrong with the shuffling around of books included in the Old Testament, which is the history of the Jews and also of the contemporary nations..a lot of this common ancestory is duplicated in the Koran

The fight was about which books to include in the NEW TESTAMENT

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Excellent post thika .. :clap12 

 

thika wrote:

   Does God ( a Creator) exist

   If he does, who created him?
Good point.. but we are all not programmed to know that one.. Are mind's don't have the knowledge
I have seen the Holy Spirit move mightly
Amen! Can you explain this please.. thanx
There IS a spiritual world out there...I have seen my late wife's hands completely heal in front off my own eyes in 30 minutes after being seriously burnt and laying on off hands...many good friends of mine were present and will testify to that
I seen a guy who could not walk for 20years (The docs said he had a condition where his legs where useless and no medicine or operation would cure him)in a wheel chair from northern ireland go to a healing service in canada.. While in the service he wasn't expecting anything to happen.. The guy who was healing said after a while to the guy on the wheel chair he was healed!.. All of a suden the guy could feel a pain in his legs and then he started to move them off the wheelchair.. and then stood up and walked.
-I have had experiences with the occult when I was young and curious
would you like to share this with us??
-There is clearvoyancy in my family and my Grandmother and my dad and his 6 siblings were exposed to terrible stuff (  Afrikaans goelery) for seven years in the early fifties
Have you got this also? Any idea when I make a move to South Africa? Sorry I just had to ask..There HAS to be other life..we are SO arrogant as a race to think that conditions has to be the same as ours to support life!...after all, the spiritual world is "life" also and they live on/near earth and is VERY intelligent life! They dont eat and drink and do not even NEED a planet... They could also be living very far away.. we simply don't know.
My thought's excatly
Does "GOD" exist?..yes I think so, but he is not alone!
How did all this start? a boom? NO.. We come from the sea as fish? NO.. Something had to create this?
So where did the SOMETHING (matter) come from?

And once again, if God made it, then where does God come from and who made him?


There is a begining to everything.. The question now lies on how the begining ever started.

Take note: There is also an End to a begining.. Could this just be..

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 09:36 pm
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If we were the only beings in the entire universe, it is an awfull waste of space

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Morning Glen,

No I will not share those experiences

And my advice to you is to steer away from clearvoyants...it is the familiar spirits that use these mediums, and the last thing you want in life is to draw their attention to you

Stay well

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Here's my take - I will rather believe in God, so when I die and I find him, good for me. If I don't believe in him and I die, and he does exists - not good for me.

I believe there is a possibilty of life out there -if God want's us to experience it, he will. If not, we will never know.

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thika wrote:

No I will not share those experiences

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jdereuck wrote: Here's my take - I will rather believe in God, so when I die and I find him, good for me. If I don't believe in him and I die, and he does exists - not good for me.

I believe there is a possibilty of life out there -if God want's us to experience it, he will. If not, we will never know.

There are many problems with Pascal's wager - mostly because it does not imply a sincere belief in God. God knows our hearts & minds & hence our motives for believing in him. In His word he says that we should love him with all our might & strength; which is transitive to believing in Him with such conviction. Pascal's wager is more of a safe gamble than an honest belief. No offence. 

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His WORD also says

- that you should die to your old/own self

-accept Him as your Saviour and accept his Holy Spirit into your heart

-confess your sins

-be reborn

-be baptized as an adult

-live a holy life

and some more!

Without the above our "best works are like filthy rags to Him"

It is a mouthfull

"Believing" in the Bible and "believing" in God does not cut it!

The above is not man-made religion nor doctrine..THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!

What was this thread about again?  :)

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thika wrote:
His WORD also says

- that you should die to your old/own self

-accept Him as your Saviour and accept his Holy Spirit into your heart

-confess your sins

-be reborn

-be baptized as an adult

-live a holy life

and some more!

Without the above our "best works are like filthy rags to Him"

It is a mouthfull

"Believing" in the Bible and "believing" in God does not cut it!

The above is not man-made religion nor doctrine..THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!

What was this thread about again?  :)


AMEN!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!! It's hard for a man who walks in the spirit to explain these things to a man who walks in flesh...

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GOD..........Good Orderly Direction, DOG spelt backwards and most religions are really just a means to soften the blow of the ultimate question of what happens to use when we die(apart from the fact that we go all mushy and green and start to smell bad).

Anyway, its all irrelevant 'cos us catholics own heaven and the rest just lease office space up there. LOL!

I've seen a real miracle or two in my time and its got nothing to with turning water into wine. I believe in a Higher Power but find organised religion a little bit weird and at times, downright distasteful.

But, ones belief is down to the individual and as long as it does not impose itself on those of others, its your choice.

As for aliens. Well, depending on the quality of the mushrooms, I've seen plenty and have even chatted to one or two.

Funny thing is though, since I stopped eating mushrooms I've not seen them since.....LOL!

Peace all!

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THE ROAD TO HEAVEN IS THE NARROW WINDING ROAD!

Not a broad open highway free for all...it comes at a huge personal cost and this has nothing to do with materialistic notions

I am a backslidden reborn Christian but I do not have the luxury of ignorance  :(

25 December 1994 was my date in Emmanuel Church in Margate..I was 40 years old... baptized in the Ocean..where else? :)

But I tell you, God custom made this place for us, so ENJOY!!!

And do not be deceived by ****** preachers and churches and suchlike you see on TV!

You have one foot on earth and the other foot in God's Kingdom and it is a one on one thing!  :)...

Does not matter WHICH BOOK you are reading!

Not really sure really how things work, but gonna have some good Tas now and light a Camel!

:wfish

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As for aliens. Well, depending on the quality of the mushrooms, I've seen plenty and have even chatted to one or two.


The Tuna can ONLY get BIGGER when I come over to Cape Town ?? :lol:1

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thika wrote: THE ROAD TO HEAVEN IS THE NARROW WINDING ROAD!

Not a broad open highway free for all...it comes at a huge personal cost and this has nothing to do with materialistic notions

I am a backslidden reborn Christian but I do not have the luxury of ignorance  :(

25 December 1994 was my date in Emmanuel Church in Margate..I was 40 years old... baptized in the Ocean..where else? :)

But I tell you, God custom made this place for us, so ENJOY!!!

And do not be deceived by ****** preachers and churches and suchlike you see on TV!

You have one foot on earth and the other foot in God's Kingdom and it is a one on one thing!  :)...

Does not matter WHICH BOOK you are reading!

Not really sure really how things work, but gonna have some good Tas now and light a Camel!

:wfish


I have alway's wanted to know When god made Adam & Eve they had 2 son's called Cain & Able.. Now one of the son's married a 'Women'

Who the heck did he marry!! There was no other 'Women' that God had mentioned or created.

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Update: Alien's & Stephen Hawking

I watched the very first episode on Discovery last night.. And I was VERY disapointed in the programme..

The ONLY thing that was exciting about it.. That they mentioned they had 'Contact' with something in '1977' which they have a listening device on echo sound's etc.. etc.. (A massive telescope looking device that has a beam light) And got a major responce message back..And they translated it into some sort of message to us.. They then scanned this area for year's and year's and have not got anything to this very day.

Next week's programme is on time travel with Stephen hawking.. I hope this isn't as bad as the first episode.

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Update:    :alien

After watching the second series of Stephen hawking's 'Time Travel' (Sorry for the delay, should of watched it on sunday.. but it was recorded and I managed to watch it today) And after the first programme I was let's just say.. not looking forward to watching it really after the first episode??

Anyway.. Let me start of by saying this is a MUST SEE .. I never knew this sort of stuff was possible.. It make's one wonder what really is out there are even what is amoung us.

If they where ever to invent the stuff that was required (And they will in time I'm sure) This will prevent alot of bad thing's happening.. Maybe that's a bad thing really? Firstly if they are mean't to happen in the first place, why mess with nature..

Man has no boundries in life and will go to the far end's of the earth to get an answer.. But will that answer by a heavenly gift? Or the destruction of life its self!

The next episode is this coming sunday.. Stay tuned.

Glenn -

 

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Glenn, it took us 6 monts to get to Mars from earth. That was at 27000km/h. Now say we make contack. How you gonne get there. If you invite the buggers over and they like us leen to welldone we all buggerd. Not even 90 generations beyond of the current you wil be intime to report back on who and what are they. So let your cureosity be. Not in the power of man to get there evar. Time is up for earth. Openbaring; When the 7th Cimbal has sounded the Efraat wil dry up. That happend in 2003. All those farms that was next to that river is now only a memory. All that fighting there now for water. Time is up for earthlings. Forget about earthly treasures and repent so you can have heavenly treasure. Just my 2c.

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Jussus Sailfish! Sounds like you've been listening to some heavy death metal bru! LOL

I live just for today. Yesterday is history and is gone forever.What happens tomorrow is beyond our control. All we have is today.

If an alien wants to shove a sosatie stick up my ass and dip me in a barrel of wasabi, there's not a helluva lot I can do and I don't lose any sleep over it.

I like to keep things simple.

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Nope!! No heavy metal. Just reading the GOOD BOOK and seeing the sighns in life that was written a long time ago. But i get verry upset if some guys think it would be nice to comunicate with the unknown and sending signals to  whom might be out there. Yust now it is an planet with a zillion hungry whatever and theez guys think they are smart and dont think of what they are actually doing. Hell bells like a church on sunday morning. Come eat us erthlings. Let sleeping dogs sleep. We dont know what is out there and i sure as hell dont whant to find out when i am on n spitbraai. So what if you know there is ET out there. But i shure dont want them to know we are out here aswell.:fbash

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No me neither Sailfish! I think we'd be in a lot of ***.........!

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