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Craig.fish

New member
Captain Morgan and Co.....Dude, seriously you are speaking out of turn mate! Firstly, MNET do not pay us for shows, as with virtually every other sports show out there...We pay the broadcaster!! Secondly, the majority of our tackle is not free of charge, and has built in values etc with sponsors. Yamaha does supply us with our boat and we do have sponsored vehicles but take a second to consider the running costs of a fleet of vehicles travelling back and forth over long distances!!!!! Personally driving a large 4L vehicle and a boat for fishing trip after fishing trip adds up very quickly!!!!

Regarding magazine....We would love to not have had a hiccup with our publication, but we did have some issues with our previous publishers, and trust me, it is a hell of a mission to get going again with new publishers. You would be shocked to hear the actual costs assosciated with running a magazine such as ours...In fact what may shock you even more is the fact that the magazine (although it has potential to do so) often runs at a loss, covered by the business!!!! We had an option to cut such a loss, but we believe in what we are doing and continued to find a way forward!!

 

It shocks me to even have to write this explanation....We visit sealine regularly to contribute in a positive manner and ask questions so we can all learn together and reading a comment like yours is tough not to take to heart man! Yes, we arent scared to admit our failiures and im sure more will follow but i suppose in such a virgin industry, its the only way to learn and grow as individuals, anglers and a business!

Thanks again to all the guys out there for all the support!!!

Craig

 

 
 

tkei

Sealiner
Craig,
Unfortunately, being on TV makes you fair game for critisism. The possitive comments will be overshadowed by the bad.
I never signed up to be a member, not my type of thing, and I buy tghe mag from time to time if it seems to be a good read that month, otherwise I buy Ski Boat, cos its all about deep sea and I like deep sea.
I watch ESA fairly often if I win crontrol ove rthe remote and can avoid Top Billing. Some shows dont hit the spot with me, most do. Those same shows may not hit the spot with others. Dofferent strokes I suppose.
Keep upt he good work. Every industry has challenges, and your s is int he public eye, so hicups are noticerd and commented on on forums such as sealine.
Personally I enjoyed mark as a presenter as he knew his stuff. Clearly you do as far as jet sj=ki's do, now prove to us you do on deep sea.
Good luck and try to take some of the crit with a 50kg bag of salt, and read what the actual crit is.
 

CAPTAIN MORGAN

New member
Craig.fish wrote:
Captain Morgan and Co.....Dude, seriously you are speaking out of turn mate! Firstly, MNET do not pay us for shows, as with virtually every other sports show out there...We pay the broadcaster!! Secondly, the majority of our tackle is not free of charge, and has built in values etc with sponsors. Yamaha does supply us with our boat and we do have sponsored vehicles but take a second to consider the running costs of a fleet of vehicles travelling back and forth over long distances!!!!! Personally driving a large 4L vehicle and a boat for fishing trip after fishing trip adds up very quickly!!!!

Regarding magazine....We would love to not have had a hiccup with our publication, but we did have some issues with our previous publishers, and trust me, it is a hell of a mission to get going again with new publishers. You would be shocked to hear the actual costs associated with running a magazine such as ours...In fact what may shock you even more is the fact that the magazine (although it has potential to do so) often runs at a loss, covered by the business!!!! We had an option to cut such a loss, but we believe in what we are doing and continued to find a way forward!!

 

It shocks me to even have to write this explanation....We visit sealine regularly to contribute in a positive manner and ask questions so we can all learn together and reading a comment like yours is tough not to take to heart man! Yes, we arent scared to admit our failiures and im sure more will follow but i suppose in such a virgin industry, its the only way to learn and grow as individuals, anglers and a business!

Thanks again to all the guys out there for all the support!!!

Craig

 

 


Hi Graig

I don`t believe that we speak out of turn, but based on certain facts. I believe that maybe ESA expanded to quikly to fast eg. landbased,dropshot,jetski,offshore,bass fishing as well as various foreign fishing expeditions such as Kenya, surely you can only operate accordingly to your income, based on this it must cost a hell of a lot to cover all the aspects as mentioned above. I am speaking under correction and maybe I am wrong, but when ESA started it was basically land and offshore fishing and I am sure that at that point in time maybe there was much less financial strain and also much more focus on local destinations which must have been relatively cheaper than programs aired recently.

As for other local producers of fishing programmes they must also have running expenses - as you have, but it boils down to management of resources otherwise no one would have produced fishing programmes or dvds.

So don`t under estimate the local consumer as we know what the cost of fishing is, rather go back to the drawing board and sort out the issues and hopefully regain the support you might have lost amongst fishermen as I have no doubt that you can turn the corner and be successful, but only with good strategy and planning.

 Cheers and remember like that ad says "I AM WATCHING YOU"


 
 

sardyntjie

Senior Member
I must say that altho it used to be my favourite fishing show , I record it more than often now and skip over the Land based and Dropshot segments and get to the Offshore...not because that is my passion , but becuse the other segments are soooooooo booooring. As I say thats me personally. I have enjoyed the surf fishing of Kyknets show a lot more and record that to watch..........

As to the Offshore segment....sure Marks a hard act to follow , but I enjoy your personality Craig and Im sure you will grow on the rest of us too.....
 
Why the heck would anyone want to publish a magazine that runs at a loss? Does not make sense at all

Combined with the fact5 that you have to pay the broadcaster to air your shows, the majority of your tackle is not free of charge, you are responsible for the running cost of the fleet ect ect.

How the heck do you guys make money?
 
Craig.fish wrote:
Captain Morgan and Co.....Dude, seriously you are speaking out of turn mate! Firstly, MNET do not pay us for shows, as with virtually every other sports show out there...We pay the broadcaster!! Secondly, the majority of our tackle is not free of charge, and has built in values etc with sponsors. Yamaha does supply us with our boat and we do have sponsored vehicles but take a second to consider the running costs of a fleet of vehicles travelling back and forth over long distances!!!!! Personally driving a large 4L vehicle and a boat for fishing trip after fishing trip adds up very quickly!!!!

Regarding magazine....We would love to not have had a hiccup with our publication, but we did have some issues with our previous publishers, and trust me, it is a hell of a mission to get going again with new publishers. You would be shocked to hear the actual costs assosciated with running a magazine such as ours...In fact what may shock you even more is the fact that the magazine (although it has potential to do so) often runs at a loss, covered by the business!!!! We had an option to cut such a loss, but we believe in what we are doing and continued to find a way forward!!

 

It shocks me to even have to write this explanation....We visit sealine regularly to contribute in a positive manner and ask questions so we can all learn together and reading a comment like yours is tough not to take to heart man! Yes, we arent scared to admit our failiures and im sure more will follow but i suppose in such a virgin industry, its the only way to learn and grow as individuals, anglers and a business!

Thanks again to all the guys out there for all the support!!!

Craig

 

 
Ja well if it costs too much to fish these exotic destinations... Why not listen to the public and fish local waters? That's the one thing they have been asking for all along. Nothing wrong with the odd exotic trip, we want that too!

Craig, I think you will do a great job just like the other presenters! All you need is for the powers that be to do theirs! They will need to win back the confidence of subscribers and perhaps just take a step back and listen! And more important, they need to win back their advertisers. Unfortunately the reality is no body wants to advertise tackle in a magazine that only supports one brand. Many of ESA's advertisers have been lost because of this! How could I advertise my jigs in ESA when all Mark will use is Kingfisher or Pulsator jigs?

But as for you guys.. We still like the presenters and realise this is not your fault! Given the option to fish Kenya or Durban.. Well guess I'd also be in Kenya!

Keep it tight and best of luck for you!
 

Tunaman

Senior Member
Craig.fish wrote:
Captain Morgan and Co.....Dude, seriously you are speaking out of turn mate! Firstly, MNET do not pay us for shows, as with virtually every other sports show out there...We pay the broadcaster!! Secondly, the majority of our tackle is not free of charge, and has built in values etc with sponsors. Yamaha does supply us with our boat and we do have sponsored vehicles but take a second to consider the running costs of a fleet of vehicles travelling back and forth over long distances!!!!! Personally driving a large 4L vehicle and a boat for fishing trip after fishing trip adds up very quickly!!!!

Regarding magazine....We would love to not have had a hiccup with our publication, but we did have some issues with our previous publishers, and trust me, it is a hell of a mission to get going again with new publishers. You would be shocked to hear the actual costs assosciated with running a magazine such as ours...In fact what may shock you even more is the fact that the magazine (although it has potential to do so) often runs at a loss, covered by the business!!!! We had an option to cut such a loss, but we believe in what we are doing and continued to find a way forward!!

 

It shocks me to even have to write this explanation....We visit sealine regularly to contribute in a positive manner and ask questions so we can all learn together and reading a comment like yours is tough not to take to heart man! Yes, we arent scared to admit our failiures and im sure more will follow but i suppose in such a virgin industry, its the only way to learn and grow as individuals, anglers and a business!

Thanks again to all the guys out there for all the support!!!

Craig

 

 

Craig personally I think that the guys are unhappy with the content and we will all hate for ESA to not be there tommorrow. I would rather not get into where the money comes from and who pays for what but I would rather offer advice instead.

We host a horde of competitions on a yearly basis. Only a few of which is seen on television. I'm convinced that there are many crews out there that would be happy to have you during a comp and this most probably mahala. Added to this you will be (1) Fishing local waters (2) fishing with local guys (3) add incentive to the comp organisers and their advertisers (4) Save a hell off a lot of "Tom" (not Elan explorer) on shows.

Think about it as it sure makes sense to me. Some of these comps are hosted in MOZ and if you follow the national trail then you can even cover some Protea anglers in Puerto Rico or Kenya. These are the guys who do it for the love everyday of their lives and some recognition might go a long way. They do it out their own pockets as well.

It is a close knit family as big as the family might be, we all stand together and are happy to help out our fellow anglers any time any where.

What do you think of this? Can I have the opinions of other fellow Sealiners as well please?
 

ONDE ONDA

New member
Tunaman wrote:
 


Craig personally I think that the guys are unhappy with the content and we will all hate for ESA to not be there tommorrow. I would rather not get into where the money comes from and who pays for what but I would rather offer advice instead.

We host a horde of competitions on a yearly basis. Only a few of which is seen on television. I'm convinced that there are many crews out there that would be happy to have you during a comp and this most probably mahala. Added to this you will be (1) Fishing local waters (2) fishing with local guys (3) add incentive to the comp organisers and their advertisers (4) Save a hell off a lot of "Tom" (not Elan explorer) on shows.

Think about it as it sure makes sense to me. Some of these comps are hosted in MOZ and if you follow the national trail then you can even cover some Protea anglers in Puerto Rico or Kenya. These are the guys who do it for the love everyday of their lives and some recognition might go a long way. They do it out their own pockets as well.

It is a close knit family as big as the family might be, we all stand together and are happy to help out our fellow anglers any time any where.

What do you think of this? Can I have the opinions of other fellow Sealiners as well please?

I second the proposal Tunaman . More to be done in our local waters. The exotic trips look nice but that’s where it stops. I am sure we all like to fish (COSTADAPLENTY )  

Craig you[/b] possible sorry for your earlier reply to get a couple on the smacker. This is aimed at ESA management and not the presenters of the show. To me there is a worrying factor, majority of your income is out of advertising in your magazine and TV Super Sport. BENNY you want to advertise your Jigs in the magazine? The April issue you get in June, as an advertiser you won’t be happy at all, and this is going on for more than a year. The excuses of the Printer, Publisher and Distributor is late, this is stale now.  You more than welcome to contact me I will put you in contact with the correct Printer Publisher and Distributer no problem it is part of my business.  Will be happy to help.
 

Cpt. Hook

Sealiner
Tunaman wrote:
Craig.fish wrote:
Captain Morgan and Co.....Dude, seriously you are speaking out of turn mate! Firstly, MNET do not pay us for shows, as with virtually every other sports show out there...We pay the broadcaster!! Secondly, the majority of our tackle is not free of charge, and has built in values etc with sponsors. Yamaha does supply us with our boat and we do have sponsored vehicles but take a second to consider the running costs of a fleet of vehicles travelling back and forth over long distances!!!!! Personally driving a large 4L vehicle and a boat for fishing trip after fishing trip adds up very quickly!!!!

Regarding magazine....We would love to not have had a hiccup with our publication, but we did have some issues with our previous publishers, and trust me, it is a hell of a mission to get going again with new publishers. You would be shocked to hear the actual costs assosciated with running a magazine such as ours...In fact what may shock you even more is the fact that the magazine (although it has potential to do so) often runs at a loss, covered by the business!!!! We had an option to cut such a loss, but we believe in what we are doing and continued to find a way forward!!

 

It shocks me to even have to write this explanation....We visit sealine regularly to contribute in a positive manner and ask questions so we can all learn together and reading a comment like yours is tough not to take to heart man! Yes, we arent scared to admit our failiures and im sure more will follow but i suppose in such a virgin industry, its the only way to learn and grow as individuals, anglers and a business!

Thanks again to all the guys out there for all the support!!!

Craig

 

 

Craig personally I think that the guys are unhappy with the content and we will all hate for ESA to not be there tommorrow. I would rather not get into where the money comes from and who pays for what but I would rather offer advice instead.

We host a horde of competitions on a yearly basis. Only a few of which is seen on television. I'm convinced that there are many crews out there that would be happy to have you during a comp and this most probably mahala. Added to this you will be (1) Fishing local waters (2) fishing with local guys (3) add incentive to the comp organisers and their advertisers (4) Save a hell off a lot of "Tom" (not Elan explorer) on shows.

Think about it as it sure makes sense to me. Some of these comps are hosted in MOZ and if you follow the national trail then you can even cover some Protea anglers in Puerto Rico or Kenya. These are the guys who do it for the love everyday of their lives and some recognition might go a long way. They do it out their own pockets as well.

It is a close knit family as big as the family might be, we all stand together and are happy to help out our fellow anglers any time any where.

What do you think of this? Can I have the opinions of other fellow Sealiners as well please?
I like this idea and would even take you guys out on local waters.
 

Ben REINERS

Sealiner
Staff member
Evening Craig,

Some more POSITIVE critics - SHAKE the tree  (ESA Establishment) , cause if your main aim is to draw anglers/readers and vievers to watch your programme and buy the magazine , then the answer is quite simple - research as to what your local anglers and future anglers want to see and need.

We have HOW MANY local water spots (SALT/FRESH WATER) and I am sure that the local anglers want to see more about whats available on their own doorstep than elsewhere. Everyone is not fortunate to venture to far , thus I would think that over the long run you would survive if you cater for the local angler wrt local matters.

This is just one of the many critics known

I agree with above fellow SEALINERS wrt the odd visit to foreign waters, good for those who can afford and experience it.

We have SO MANY LOCAL TALENT when it comes to LURE MAKING/ROD BUILDING/etc for instance , why only concentrate on specific brands ? Invite all the craftsman aboard , test their products and promote RSA not only the few trialed and tested ones - LOCAL IS NOT ONLY LEKKER BUT BETTER !! There is a GOLDMINE out there to be explored on your doorstep.

I honestly say that I to enjoy the program and magazine , though found it that ESA went to FAST TO FURIOUS. See my previous comment. Take TIGHT LINES as an example - Plain mag , catering for local anglers and the foreign waters yes, though they been around for many moons and still going strong.

What happened to the ESA Bass Magazine ? I sincerely hope you can pick up from where it was left and grow in strenght.

   
 

Fish4Fun

Member
Too many broken promises, I'm afraid....too many broken promises.

Some examples......there was supposed to be a freshwater magazine - the ESA spokesperson got all excited, announced a grand release date in Dec 2009- we're still waiting. In January I think some poor guy asked where the mag was, and she got all snotty and promised hm that it would be out soon. Still waiting.

Subscribers pay good money for an annual subscription, ie 12 magazines. There hasn't been one for two(going on three) months now, ie at the moment you're paying for 12, and you've got , what, four or five, and no 6 is nowhere in sight. Still waiting. Are isues 7-12 going to happen?

People started asking where their stuff was (they PAID for it up front, remember?) and there was an acrimonious exchange whereby the subscription manager accused the customer of having nothing better to do than complain....THE most shockingly bad case of client relationship murder I have ever seen. One mealie- mouthed, insincere excuse later, no further developments. Still waiting.

Online shop - yup, you guessed it- still waiting.

LBSA drop shot competitions for members- dead and buried. Gone.

Forum....stale, most of the posts are at least three days to a week old. No comment or development on any post that is not complementary to the owners.

Updated articles on the website - non existent. Regular participation by the "experts"? Not happening.

Lucky draws/fish with the pro's? They rather take their office staff out on trips!

Communication, transparency? Fuhgeddaboutit!!!

Printing problems? If you believe that- still- I have some swampland in the Cape Flats I wold like to sell to you gullible fools.

Besides, I have it on good authority from people in the printing business that successful magazines have their entire costs of printing covered by advertising, with some useful change left over. The actual sale of mags is just building the brand and cream on top.

Perfect example- how is it possible that a mag like Ski Boat can deliver a glossy, thick, quality magazine on time, every time, all the time, for R 25.00?

Draw your own conclusions, guys.....
 

BluFlu

Sealiner
I must say I feel from Craig, Ray and OJ. Besides showing their frustration (ok not OJ:)) on the odd occasions they have remained very positive.

I have an idea I will through out there. Sealine has thousands of member and lets face it all the other will continue to get off the ground. Why dont we have a Sealine/ESA joint venture?

The ESA guys can focus on the fishing taking tips and requests from members on the forum and Sealine can handle the forum requirements?

I think that is a winning combination.

Next we may even have a Sealine/ESA Credit Card - I say power to the people!!
 

Craig.fish

New member
Thanks for all the feedback guys.....some of the points raised, i have no control over and thus cannot give any relevant feedback without opening a beeeeegggg can of worms but i will attempt to have them brought across with the relevant people.

But, as an angler like all of yourselves, i can talk about fishing! Our show had a annual 70/30 split in content (ie. 70% local and 30% exotic), and we stick to this quite religiously, so at the end of the day, we believe we strike a good balance. Just ordered a new boat from Yamaha (bigger one) and going to explore the bluewater potential around R-Bay in the new season (perhaps there are some sealine experts in the area that could come along for a fish), and also planning a visit to the Cape for Tuna and Yellowtail when that season kicks off.

Thanks again, Craig 

 
 

CAPTAIN MORGAN

New member
Hi Graig

No hard feelings mate, we are all in the same game, if you need assistance in RB there will be no issues and I am sure all Sealiners will be willing to help if needed.

Cheers
 

Pargo Man

Sealiner
Big Craig, good step into the right direction. What I personally liked most: You remain approachable, despite your celebrity status. In Angola our chances to follow your TV show are somewhat limited, which only adds to the cult status ESA enjoys from our angle of perspective. Keep up the edutainment. Prime stuff.

Cordially, PARGO Jan
 

Hammertime

Sealiner
Just let us know when you in the Cape for tuna.
I can get longer poles and pull up behind you guys so as you release them we can haak them for the market when they nice and tired.:fbash
 

OJ

Senior Member
Tkei - I suppose you are right, being on TV does seem to make one fair game for criticism. It may sound crazy but I never thought too deeply about that one until I got involved with ESA (Mark called me about it and got me involved). It is very difficult coming under fire so regularly when the attacks are personal but I do believe at the end of the day all of us do our best - whether that is good enough is up to the individual viewers and their opinions. As far as membership/ magazines etc goes if there is non-delivery well then people are entitled to be upset that is a different story.

Capt Morgan - you are right about some of the things and yes, all is not lost ESA can win back viewers. BRW I love the I AM WATCHING YOU hehehe!

One comment I can share (as my full-time job is not ESA but working in the media) is that there are many, many more easy routes to make a quick buck than trying to produce a TV show or mag - especially in SA.

As far as exotic destinations go I have not noticed any in the links I have shot recently but there is some good Port Alfred, Richards Bay etc stuff coming up so watch this space. I think the producers are listening to that feedback from what I have seen.

Tunaman you are spot on with your suggestions and I have also mailed them to the crew at ESA.

Onde Onda please send me a PM with your company details and I will pass these on as well.

ESA Freshwater is going to be launched soon to the best of my knowledge so if you are into the Bass show then watch this space.

There are a few changes in the pipeline at ESA and I think that it will help to freshen things up.

PS I am really nervous for the feedback about this Thursday's show... I cracked the nod to join Craig fishing, was pretty useless but had fun :)
 

OJ

Senior Member
BluFlu wrote:
I must say I feel from Craig, Ray and OJ. Besides showing their frustration (ok not OJ:)) on the odd occasions they have remained very positive.

I have an idea I will through out there. Sealine has thousands of member and lets face it all the other will continue to get off the ground. Why dont we have a Sealine/ESA joint venture?

The ESA guys can focus on the fishing taking tips and requests from members on the forum and Sealine can handle the forum requirements?

I think that is a winning combination.

Next we may even have a Sealine/ESA Credit Card - I say power to the people!!

Thanks BluFlu! Eish I am sure I have bust out with some grizzly comments now and then when I am having a "bad hair day" ;-)

 

Craig is in the office so am sure that he will mention your suggestion.

 

Hope you all have a great day
 

pieterh

Sealiner
OJ wrote:
BluFlu wrote: 
Why dont we have a Sealine/ESA joint venture?

The ESA guys can focus on the fishing taking tips and requests from members on the forum and Sealine can handle the forum requirements?

I think that is a winning combination.

Thanks BluFlu! Eish I am sure I have bust out with some grizzly comments now and then when I am having a "bad hair day" ;-)

Craig is in the office so am sure that he will mention your suggestion.

Hope you all have a great day
Thanks Blu Flu.

There we go OJ.

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=36929&forum_id=11

Port Edward in 4 weeks time.
 

Tunaman

Senior Member
Craig.fish wrote:
Thanks for all the feedback guys.....some of the points raised, i have no control over and thus cannot give any relevant feedback without opening a beeeeegggg can of worms but i will attempt to have them brought across with the relevant people.

But, as an angler like all of yourselves, i can talk about fishing! Our show had a annual 70/30 split in content (ie. 70% local and 30% exotic), and we stick to this quite religiously, so at the end of the day, we believe we strike a good balance. Just ordered a new boat from Yamaha (bigger one) and going to explore the bluewater potential around R-Bay in the new season (perhaps there are some sealine experts in the area that could come along for a fish), and also planning a visit to the Cape for Tuna and Yellowtail when that season kicks off.

Thanks again, Craig 

 

Good to hear Craig. Thanks for the feedback. Just a tip on Rbay. A hot topic at present is daylight broadbill fishing. I'm sure the viewers would love to see it done in Rbay. A few has allready had success with it but it is unknown to most viewers and ESA would be the first to screen it on national television. A feather in the cap.
 
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