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 Posted: Mon Mar 18th, 2013 06:32 am
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Dwain Paul
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Hi peeps... Just to let you know that there are PLENTY of healthy juvenile leeries in zandvlei.

Only caught this one yesterday

Remember... catch and release these beauties...

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 Posted: Mon Mar 18th, 2013 08:41 am
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Yup, lots of the little guys around. System seems healthy but with very few decent size fish. Please guys if you do fish there try to avoid using trebles and barbed hooks. Need to look after this healthy population of juveniles so that in a few years we will have some nice leeries to play.

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 Posted: Mon Mar 18th, 2013 08:50 am
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Hi

Yes i do use trebble hooks... but i flatten my barbs

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 Posted: Mon Mar 18th, 2013 09:00 am
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Nice little leerie. Very healthy looking fish. Well done

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 Posted: Mon Mar 18th, 2013 09:16 am
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WOW i only notice now i said JUNENILE... meant to say Juvenile

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 Posted: Mon Mar 18th, 2013 09:59 am
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I was there fishing for livies the other day.
So, I helped this 12 odd year old get two leeries. ive never seen someone that happy, lol.
While fishing for the mullet we saw stacks of small leeries move through and smash them

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 Posted: Mon Mar 18th, 2013 10:04 am
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where about can i take my son..what side of the vlei?

 

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 Posted: Mon Mar 18th, 2013 10:23 am
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to be honest...you need to find the leeries... they never always in the same area... normally im close to mullet close...  but i tend to move around alot to try and find them...when you find them... you will have a ball!

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 Posted: Thu Mar 28th, 2013 08:00 pm
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Please, catch and release only. Barbless hooks as well guys.
Been fishing there a lot lately and getting an average of about 10 fish a day( biggest being +-60cm ). As mentioned you have to find the fish, they not in the same spot every time.
Good luck all

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 Posted: Fri Mar 29th, 2013 07:57 am
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So glad to see that the leeries are slowly getting a foot in by the door. After last year's disaster, it seemed like the vlei was doomed.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 29th, 2013 08:20 am
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Thanx for the update guyz. Nice to know. I've been practicing my net throwing and will manage some livies for the future I think.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 29th, 2013 06:24 pm
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As far as I've been told, no live bait to be used and no throw nets allowed in the system.
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Bassin Barry wrote:
As far as I've been told, no live bait to be used and no throw nets allowed in the system.
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I've heard that too. More fun on lure anyways :)

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Chicken of the Sea wrote:
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As far as I've been told, no live bait to be used and no throw nets allowed in the system.
Barry


I've heard that too. More fun on lure anyways :)


And even more fun again on fly.

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Got 1 small one today on lure. Is sanvlei open to the sea?

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Are you able to get them out without damaging the fish?
How do you do that?

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With a single hook.

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I agree. A treble, barbed or not will usually mean the end of a leerie as the gill rakers tend to get involved.

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i also fish the vlei about 4 times a week and also catch loads of fish

I've taken the trebles off my hooks and I find that it impact the actions of the lures, the spoons seem to spin in the water and the the surface lure's action is different

i fished a strike pro sunday morning without much success, tried a few other lures, changed back to a strike pro, tying on the wrong one (with the treble hooks) and caught 3 fish in about 10 casts

Any comments on this

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Yeah I've found the same, on some lures the trebles are actually a must for them to work correctly. But I do squash the barbs on those trebles. Perhaps with a bit of experimentation with different singles it could be sorted. To be honest, most of the time with these smaller fish the trebles hook up quite nicely and don't cause any damage. I am yet to release a fish that was caught on trebles that I suspect is going to die later. On the other hand, I was using some soft plastics with a single hook and injured two fish far more badly than I have ever done with the trebles. The one fish swallowed the whole thing and gill hooked itself and the other ended up with the point of the single coming out the top of its head. Another fish on a spoon with a single hook ended up with the point coming out of its eye. I felt bad but nothing I could do. With the strike pro with the two trebles they never actually get the whole lure into their mouth and most of the time the fish just falls off the hooks after you have landed it. The small trebles don't penetrate deeply into the fish. I guess with bigger fish it would be more of a problem as the whole lure might be injested and then the trebles would wreak havoc.

Another thing to note is that there isn't a shortage of these small guys, they are absolutely everywhere, so as long as we try release all our fish safely an occasional casualty isn't going to cripple the system. Don't get me wrong I am all for catch and release with most species of fish but fishing is a blood sport after all, it's impossible to rule out all the dangers to the fish.

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Bassin Barry wrote:
As far as I've been told, no live bait to be used and no throw nets allowed in the system.
Barry


This is correct. Treble hooks are also banned. Barbless hooks are recommended and will form part of the new regulations in the near future. Catch and release for indigenous species will also become mandatory although the Field Rangers are already applying this.

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ah, the mythical field rangers

i fish zandvlei 4 times a week and i'm yet to see one of these rumoured creatures

perhaps you could give myself, bassin barry or chicken of the sea some jurisdiction, and then we can have some authority about the undersize steenbras and stumpnose that i see get taken every single day, caught on prawn pumped in the vlei

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ah, the mythical field rangers

i fish zandvlei 4 times a week and i'm yet to see one of these rumoured creatures

perhaps you could give myself, bassin barry or chicken of the sea some jurisdiction, and then we can have some authority about the undersize steenbras and stumpnose that i see get taken every single day, caught on prawn pumped in the vlei


LOL. They are around. This was sent to me on the 4-04-2013.
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This morning I decided to fish from the picnic area. When I went in to pay I was;
· Courteously asked for my fishing license and the date on this was duly checked for validity,

· Informed that fishing from this area was catch and release only.

This is remarkable in that it is only the third time I have been asked for a permit by anyone in many years of fishing at Zandvlei. Checking permits along with ensuring people understand the rules is to be encouraged. I would like commend this action but am not sure who to address it to. Perhaps you could pass this email through to the appropriate authority?
>>>>>>>>> (Names have been removed)

I wish it was in my power to grant you all ranger status but unfortunately I don't work for the City. However, this does not stop you from taking photos of offenders and their vehicles and either posting it here or on http://www.facebook.com/ZandvleiEstuary. (and reporting it on the 107 phone number.) As you can see, we are trying to address the Law Enforcement issues with the City. The anniversary of the Zandvlei Massacre is upon us and we would like to avoid a repeat.

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There are only a few main spots where the fish are taken out. There should be somebody checking licences and implementing these laws at the entrance to Park island (the island oppesite the marina. I was there two weeks ago and saw two people fishing with live bait. I talked to them and apprently they say it was fine for them as they lived on the water edge. Anybody know if this is true or not?
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Bassin Barry wrote:
There are only a few main spots where the fish are taken out. There should be somebody checking licences and implementing these laws at the entrance to Park island (the island oppesite the marina. I was there two weeks ago and saw two people fishing with live bait. I talked to them and apprently they say it was fine for them as they lived on the water edge. Anybody know if this is true or not?
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Barry


Seems like everybody is making up their own rules as they go along. The rules posted on the signage apply to ALL the public areas in Zandvlei. ... and YES, the water in the canals in the marina are also public. Time to be brave and take photos of the offenders in the act.

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Bassin Barry you not by any chance the guy who I chated to briefly at the vlei on Sunday morning maybe?

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BuzzLiteBeer wrote:
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There are only a few main spots where the fish are taken out. There should be somebody checking licences and implementing these laws at the entrance to Park island (the island oppesite the marina. I was there two weeks ago and saw two people fishing with live bait. I talked to them and apprently they say it was fine for them as they lived on the water edge. Anybody know if this is true or not?
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Barry


Seems like everybody is making up their own rules as they go along. The rules posted on the signage apply to ALL the public areas in Zandvlei. ... and YES, the water in the canals in the marina are also public. Time to be brave and take photos of the offenders in the act.


Hi Buzz

I have had a hard time trying to understand the City's ability to make laws regulating the sea.

Neither Cassy nor her predecessor, Erica could give me a straight answer.

The legal guys that they referred me to had even less light to shed.

If Zandvlei is as much a part of the sea as 40 miles off Cape Point, how do they make laws that only DAFF (Fisheries) can make.

One possible answer that I was given is that they can control activities that happen on City property adjoining the sea.

But that raised the question of fishing on boats and private property adjoining the vlei (sea).

If that is the case then the laws don't apply to everyone.

If the restrictions on fishing in the vlei are not part of city legislation and are part of national legislation then that might change things a bit.

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BuzzLiteBeer wrote:
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There are only a few main spots where the fish are taken out. There should be somebody checking licences and implementing these laws at the entrance to Park island (the island oppesite the marina. I was there two weeks ago and saw two people fishing with live bait. I talked to them and apprently they say it was fine for them as they lived on the water edge. Anybody know if this is true or not?
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Barry


Seems like everybody is making up their own rules as they go along. The rules posted on the signage apply to ALL the public areas in Zandvlei. ... and YES, the water in the canals in the marina are also public. Time to be brave and take photos of the offenders in the act.


Hi Buzz

I have had a hard time trying to understand the City's ability to make laws regulating the sea.

Neither Cassy nor her predecessor, Erica could give me a straight answer.

The legal guys that they referred me to had even less light to shed.

If Zandvlei is as much a part of the sea as 40 miles off Cape Point, how do they make laws that only DAFF (Fisheries) can make.

One possible answer that I was given is that they can control activities that happen on City property adjoining the sea.

But that raised the question of fishing on boats and private property adjoining the vlei (sea).

If that is the case then the laws don't apply to everyone.

If the restrictions on fishing in the vlei are not part of city legislation and are part of national legislation then that might change things a bit.


The law is a joke!!!

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BuzzLiteBeer wrote:
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There are only a few main spots where the fish are taken out. There should be somebody checking licences and implementing these laws at the entrance to Park island (the island oppesite the marina. I was there two weeks ago and saw two people fishing with live bait. I talked to them and apprently they say it was fine for them as they lived on the water edge. Anybody know if this is true or not?
Thanks
Barry


Seems like everybody is making up their own rules as they go along. The rules posted on the signage apply to ALL the public areas in Zandvlei. ... and YES, the water in the canals in the marina are also public. Time to be brave and take photos of the offenders in the act.


Hi Buzz

I have had a hard time trying to understand the City's ability to make laws regulating the sea.

Neither Cassy nor her predecessor, Erica could give me a straight answer.

The legal guys that they referred me to had even less light to shed.

If Zandvlei is as much a part of the sea as 40 miles off Cape Point, how do they make laws that only DAFF (Fisheries) can make.

One possible answer that I was given is that they can control activities that happen on City property adjoining the sea.

But that raised the question of fishing on boats and private property adjoining the vlei (sea).

If that is the case then the laws don't apply to everyone.

If the restrictions on fishing in the vlei are not part of city legislation and are part of national legislation then that might change things a bit.


I agree, it is complicated, maybe uneccesarily so. there are too many different agencies that are responsible for various things and from what I have seen many of them don't know what they are supposed to be in charge of.

Zandvlei is a Local Authority Nature Reserve governed by the City's bylaws and as such it is their responsibility to enforce these laws. (that's what we are trying to get them to do.) The regulations on fishing are part of City legislation and they are being amended even further in an attempt to protect the last functioning estuary in False Bay. Of course this goes hand-in-hand with effective law enforcement which is the current focus.

The bottom line is that the water/vlei is public property. So if you want to fish from your lounge with live bait, no licence, dynamite etc. you are still violating the by-laws.

Visit the links below explore the content. I hope this makes things clearer. Pressure from the public is the only way to get the City to deliver on their responsibilities to us and the environment. We are trying to get the 107 number to work properly so, keep logging incidents when you see them and get those reference numbers and call centre staff name.

Zandvlei as an estuary also forms part of the National C.A.P.E. Estuaries Programme headed by Pierre de Villiers. http://www.nmmu.ac.za/cerm/PDF/CAPE%20NL_Vol_1h_Issue_1_March20%20%20.pdf

Zandvlei related stuff here. http://www.zandvleitrust.org.za/art-Zandvlei%20Estuary%20Management%20Forum.html

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are my own and are based on my understanding of the current situation w.r.t. Zandvlei.

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Hi guys

I find the information you guys both fascinating and frustrating

Fascinating because i fish the vlei about 4 time a week, oblivious of all the by-laws and politics.

Frustrating because I've taken the trebles of my lures and I really think this hampers the actions of the lures. I find the spoons seems to spin in the water, and the top water lures seems to be unbalanced. I don't know, perhaps its just thecolder weather leadng to a decrease in fish activity

Getting back to the juveniles, as this post is heading the same way as the numerous treknetter posts, can anyone please give me some information on Garrick in general

What is there anual growth rate typically per year? And also, at what age/length/size do they reach sexual maturity?

Cheers
Cobus

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Stapies wrote:
jb2 wrote:
BuzzLiteBeer wrote:
Bassin Barry wrote:
There are only a few main spots where the fish are taken out. There should be somebody checking licences and implementing these laws at the entrance to Park island (the island oppesite the marina. I was there two weeks ago and saw two people fishing with live bait. I talked to them and apprently they say it was fine for them as they lived on the water edge. Anybody know if this is true or not?
Thanks
Barry


Seems like everybody is making up their own rules as they go along. The rules posted on the signage apply to ALL the public areas in Zandvlei. ... and YES, the water in the canals in the marina are also public. Time to be brave and take photos of the offenders in the act.


Hi Buzz

I have had a hard time trying to understand the City's ability to make laws regulating the sea.

Neither Cassy nor her predecessor, Erica could give me a straight answer.

The legal guys that they referred me to had even less light to shed.

If Zandvlei is as much a part of the sea as 40 miles off Cape Point, how do they make laws that only DAFF (Fisheries) can make.

One possible answer that I was given is that they can control activities that happen on City property adjoining the sea.

But that raised the question of fishing on boats and private property adjoining the vlei (sea).

If that is the case then the laws don't apply to everyone.

If the restrictions on fishing in the vlei are not part of city legislation and are part of national legislation then that might change things a bit.


The law is a joke!!!


That's a pretty broad statement. I might go as far as saying that the enforcement of the law is a joke, not the laws themselves. Also, why is it that we always need a "policeman" looking over our shoulders to check that we are complying with the rules. Surely we can regulate ourselves as responsible fisher folk for the sustainability of our pastime. The conduct of a few fishermen reflect badly on the rest of us. This leads to the demonisation of the fishing community at large. (some people call us "neanderthal fisher things" and "the stinky foot wader brigade"). This just leads to more conflict. My 2 cents.

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Hi guys

I find the information you guys both fascinating and frustrating

Fascinating because i fish the vlei about 4 time a week, oblivious of all the by-laws and politics.

Frustrating because I've taken the trebles of my lures and I really think this hampers the actions of the lures. I find the spoons seems to spin in the water, and the top water lures seems to be unbalanced. I don't know, perhaps its just thecolder weather leadng to a decrease in fish activity

Getting back to the juveniles, as this post is heading the same way as the numerous treknetter posts, can anyone please give me some information on Garrick in general

What is there anual growth rate typically per year? And also, at what age/length/size do they reach sexual maturity?

Cheers
Cobus


Here's a partial answer to your question posted by Sudesh Pursad, A fishing guide in KZN. Remember, Zandvlei leeries go to KZN. It seems this topic has been discussed before and I don't want to duplicate info. See here http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=26264&forum_id=8&jump_to=372099

By Bruce Mann and Daniel Smith

The limited distribution range of garrick or leervis (Lichia amia), its popularity as a gamefish to all sectors of the recreational fishery and the degradation of many estuaries which function as important nursery areas for this species, has aroused concern by anglers, fishery managers and scientists about the stock status of this species. Other than a preliminary investigation conducted by ORI in 1992 into the age, growth and stock status of L. amia (van der Elst et al., 1993), surprisingly little research has been undertaken on this important angling species. Considering the value of garrick and the need to provide a scientific basis for its future management, a comprehensive stock assessment was recently undertaken by Daniel Smith, a MSc student from the University of KwaZulu-Natal under the supervision of Bruce Mann and Rudy van der Elst from ORI. The focus of this study was to investigate the age, growth, movement and stock status of garrick in South African waters.

Some of the key findings of this research project were as follows:

• Based on ageing of otoliths and analysis of growth rate determined from tag-recapture data, garrick was found to be a relatively fast growing species reaching a maximum age of 10+ years.
• Based on tag-recapture data, movement behaviour of garrick consists of a resident, estuarine dependent juvenile phase and a highly migratory adult phase with adults migrating to KZN to spawn during the winter months and returning to cooler Cape waters in early summer.
• Trends in catch rates of garrick were determined from the analysis of data stored on the National Marine Linefish System (NMLS) and the Boat Launch Site Monitoring System databases. This analysis showed a decreasing trend in catch per unit effort (CPUE) of garrick along the KZN coast over time for all sectors of the KZN marine recreational linefishery (i.e. shore fishing, recreational skiboat fishing and spearfishing).
• Growth parameter estimates and catch data were used in undertaking a per-recruit assessment of the garrick stock in South African waters. The spawner-biomass-per-recruit (SBPR) model indicated that the garrick stock is currently at approximately 14% of its unfished level!

These results came as a shock to scientists who had previously determined that the garrick stock was in relatively good shape due to is fast growth rate. In terms of the Linefish Management Protocol, this means that the garrick stock has collapsed (i.e. there may now be too few adult fish left to ensure successful spawning and recruitment of juveniles to sustain the population). Appropriate management action is therefore urgently needed to help rebuild the stock. There are a number of management options available which could be used to achieve this. These include one or more of the following: reduce the daily bag limit to one fish/angler/day; increase the minimum size limit to 90 cm TL; introduce a slot size limit with a minimum size of 80 cm TL and a maximum size limit of 100 cm TL; introduce a closed season from 1 October to 30 November; establish estuarine protected areas where juveniles of this species are fully protected.

The decision, on which of the above management options should be implemented, needs to be taken by the responsible government scientific and management working groups at Marine & Coastal Management (MCM). These decisions should then be passed through a forum fully representative of all user groups such as the South African Marine Linefish Management Association (SAMLMA) to ensure user endorsement before legislation is implemented.
References cited:
VAN DER ELST, R.P., GOVENDER, A. and S.A. CHATER 1993 - The biology and status of the garrick (Lichia amia). In Fish, Fishers and Fisheries. Proceedings of the Second South African Marine Linefish Symposium. Beckley, L.E. and van der Elst R.P. (Eds.).
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BuzzLiteBeer wrote:
Stapies wrote:
jb2 wrote:
BuzzLiteBeer wrote:
Bassin Barry wrote:
There are only a few main spots where the fish are taken out. There should be somebody checking licences and implementing these laws at the entrance to Park island (the island oppesite the marina. I was there two weeks ago and saw two people fishing with live bait. I talked to them and apprently they say it was fine for them as they lived on the water edge. Anybody know if this is true or not?
Thanks
Barry


Seems like everybody is making up their own rules as they go along. The rules posted on the signage apply to ALL the public areas in Zandvlei. ... and YES, the water in the canals in the marina are also public. Time to be brave and take photos of the offenders in the act.


Hi Buzz

I have had a hard time trying to understand the City's ability to make laws regulating the sea.

Neither Cassy nor her predecessor, Erica could give me a straight answer.

The legal guys that they referred me to had even less light to shed.

If Zandvlei is as much a part of the sea as 40 miles off Cape Point, how do they make laws that only DAFF (Fisheries) can make.

One possible answer that I was given is that they can control activities that happen on City property adjoining the sea.

But that raised the question of fishing on boats and private property adjoining the vlei (sea).

If that is the case then the laws don't apply to everyone.

If the restrictions on fishing in the vlei are not part of city legislation and are part of national legislation then that might change things a bit.


The law is a joke!!!


That's a pretty broad statement. I might go as far as saying that the enforcement of the law is a joke, not the laws themselves. Also, why is it that we always need a "policeman" looking over our shoulders to check that we are complying with the rules. Surely we can regulate ourselves as responsible fisher folk for the sustainability of our pastime. The conduct of a few fishermen reflect badly on the rest of us. This leads to the demonisation of the fishing community at large. (some people call us "neanderthal fisher things" and "the stinky foot wader brigade"). This just leads to more conflict. My 2 cents.


Maar dit is 'n joke!!! Almal maak hulle eie reels en wil nuwe reels maak en hulle kan nie eers die ou wette reguleer nie!!! Daar is "zero to nothing" as dit kom by die regulering en die enforcement en niks word gedoen omtrent dit wat belangrik is nie!!! Reg onder ons neuse kom trek die nette tonne ondermaat vis! Wie doen iets omtrent dit?

Nog 'n ding, in plein afrikaan of taal wat die normale mens kan verstaan, is die reel op Zanvlei even wettig? Kan hulle die wet oorskryf of net hulle eie wette maak en is dit gesien as reels "in the eye of the law"?

Ek is all for regulating stocks maar van die goed raak 'n grap man! Is die wette/reels in die gazette gesit?

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Stapies wrote:
BuzzLiteBeer wrote:
Stapies wrote:
jb2 wrote:
BuzzLiteBeer wrote:
Bassin Barry wrote:
There are only a few main spots where the fish are taken out. There should be somebody checking licences and implementing these laws at the entrance to Park island (the island oppesite the marina. I was there two weeks ago and saw two people fishing with live bait. I talked to them and apprently they say it was fine for them as they lived on the water edge. Anybody know if this is true or not?
Thanks
Barry


Seems like everybody is making up their own rules as they go along. The rules posted on the signage apply to ALL the public areas in Zandvlei. ... and YES, the water in the canals in the marina are also public. Time to be brave and take photos of the offenders in the act.


Hi Buzz

I have had a hard time trying to understand the City's ability to make laws regulating the sea.

Neither Cassy nor her predecessor, Erica could give me a straight answer.

The legal guys that they referred me to had even less light to shed.

If Zandvlei is as much a part of the sea as 40 miles off Cape Point, how do they make laws that only DAFF (Fisheries) can make.

One possible answer that I was given is that they can control activities that happen on City property adjoining the sea.

But that raised the question of fishing on boats and private property adjoining the vlei (sea).

If that is the case then the laws don't apply to everyone.

If the restrictions on fishing in the vlei are not part of city legislation and are part of national legislation then that might change things a bit.


The law is a joke!!!


That's a pretty broad statement. I might go as far as saying that the enforcement of the law is a joke, not the laws themselves. Also, why is it that we always need a "policeman" looking over our shoulders to check that we are complying with the rules. Surely we can regulate ourselves as responsible fisher folk for the sustainability of our pastime. The conduct of a few fishermen reflect badly on the rest of us. This leads to the demonisation of the fishing community at large. (some people call us "neanderthal fisher things" and "the stinky foot wader brigade"). This just leads to more conflict. My 2 cents.


Maar dit is 'n joke!!! Almal maak hulle eie reels en wil nuwe reels maak en hulle kan nie eers die ou wette reguleer nie!!! Daar is "zero to nothing" as dit kom by die regulering en die enforcement en niks word gedoen omtrent dit wat belangrik is nie!!! Reg onder ons neuse kom trek die nette tonne ondermaat vis! Wie doen iets omtrent dit?

Nog 'n ding, in plein afrikaan of taal wat die normale mens kan verstaan, is die reel op Zanvlei even wettig? Kan hulle die wet oorskryf of net hulle eie wette maak en is dit gesien as reels "in the eye of the law"?

Ek is all for regulating stocks maar van die goed raak 'n grap man! Is die wette/reels in die gazette gesit?


For continuity sake I will stick to typing in "Rooinek". :dude: I agree with you on the enforcement side of things. That's why I feel it's up to us to force the City to do it's job. (It may be an impossible task but you don't know till you try.)

I am no legal expert and can't comment on the by-law process or status. I do know that the by-laws are being reviewed for ALL City controlled vleis/estuaries/reserves and Zandvlei will have "special" laws due to it's sensitivity as a nursery. Personally, the last thing I want to see is fishing being banned at Zandvlei. This can happen all too easily. Someone just has to accuse fishermen of killing ducks with their discarded fishing line and hooks and litter. (Sonstraal & Vygeboom dams spring to mind.)

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BuzzLiteBeer wrote:
jb2 wrote:
BuzzLiteBeer wrote:
Bassin Barry wrote:
There are only a few main spots where the fish are taken out. There should be somebody checking licences and implementing these laws at the entrance to Park island (the island oppesite the marina. I was there two weeks ago and saw two people fishing with live bait. I talked to them and apprently they say it was fine for them as they lived on the water edge. Anybody know if this is true or not?
Thanks
Barry


Seems like everybody is making up their own rules as they go along. The rules posted on the signage apply to ALL the public areas in Zandvlei. ... and YES, the water in the canals in the marina are also public. Time to be brave and take photos of the offenders in the act.


Hi Buzz

I have had a hard time trying to understand the City's ability to make laws regulating the sea.

Neither Cassy nor her predecessor, Erica could give me a straight answer.

The legal guys that they referred me to had even less light to shed.

If Zandvlei is as much a part of the sea as 40 miles off Cape Point, how do they make laws that only DAFF (Fisheries) can make.

One possible answer that I was given is that they can control activities that happen on City property adjoining the sea.

But that raised the question of fishing on boats and private property adjoining the vlei (sea).

If that is the case then the laws don't apply to everyone.

If the restrictions on fishing in the vlei are not part of city legislation and are part of national legislation then that might change things a bit.


I agree, it is complicated, maybe uneccesarily so. there are too many different agencies that are responsible for various things and from what I have seen many of them don't know what they are supposed to be in charge of.

Zandvlei is a Local Authority Nature Reserve governed by the City's bylaws and as such it is their responsibility to enforce these laws. (that's what we are trying to get them to do.) The regulations on fishing are part of City legislation and they are being amended even further in an attempt to protect the last functioning estuary in False Bay. Of course this goes hand-in-hand with effective law enforcement which is the current focus.

The bottom line is that the water/vlei is public property. So if you want to fish from your lounge with live bait, no licence, dynamite etc. you are still violating the by-laws.

Visit the links below explore the content. I hope this makes things clearer. Pressure from the public is the only way to get the City to deliver on their responsibilities to us and the environment. We are trying to get the 107 number to work properly so, keep logging incidents when you see them and get those reference numbers and call centre staff name.

Zandvlei as an estuary also forms part of the National C.A.P.E. Estuaries Programme headed by Pierre de Villiers. http://www.nmmu.ac.za/cerm/PDF/CAPE%20NL_Vol_1h_Issue_1_March20%20%20.pdf

Zandvlei related stuff here. http://www.zandvleitrust.org.za/art-Zandvlei%20Estuary%20Management%20Forum.html

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are my own and are based on my understanding of the current situation w.r.t. Zandvlei.


Hi Buzz

I am not sure that it is as simple as you suggest. Cassy referred me to the legal guy at the city and he did not address the main concern.

The Marine Living Resources Act is national legislation and trumps the city ordinances.

The vlei is the same as the open sea when viewed from a legal perspective.

I asked Cassy a very telling question. "What size and species restrictions do you apply to fish in the vlei?"

She said "The MLRA of course." Then I asked if the MLRA governs species etc then why does it not apply to other areas of activities in the vlei. (I recognise the restrictions on land.)

I would have hoped that they would have relied on Protected Areas legislation to regulate the Vlei but that is much more time consuming and difficult to pass.

I might be completely wrong and I am not as familiar with maritime zones as I should be.

I wonder if using the Integrated Management Act would be better.

Then you can get one of those estuarine plans up and running.

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Stapies wrote:
jb2 wrote:
BuzzLiteBeer wrote:
Bassin Barry wrote:
There are only a few main spots where the fish are taken out. There should be somebody checking licences and implementing these laws at the entrance to Park island (the island oppesite the marina. I was there two weeks ago and saw two people fishing with live bait. I talked to them and apprently they say it was fine for them as they lived on the water edge. Anybody know if this is true or not?
Thanks
Barry


Seems like everybody is making up their own rules as they go along. The rules posted on the signage apply to ALL the public areas in Zandvlei. ... and YES, the water in the canals in the marina are also public. Time to be brave and take photos of the offenders in the act.


Hi Buzz

I have had a hard time trying to understand the City's ability to make laws regulating the sea.

Neither Cassy nor her predecessor, Erica could give me a straight answer.

The legal guys that they referred me to had even less light to shed.

If Zandvlei is as much a part of the sea as 40 miles off Cape Point, how do they make laws that only DAFF (Fisheries) can make.

One possible answer that I was given is that they can control activities that happen on City property adjoining the sea.

But that raised the question of fishing on boats and private property adjoining the vlei (sea).

If that is the case then the laws don't apply to everyone.

If the restrictions on fishing in the vlei are not part of city legislation and are part of national legislation then that might change things a bit.


The law is a joke!!!


Hi Stapies

It would help if we saw regulations in the same way that we view cars.

They are designed to achieve a particular function.

Most of the time they have to deal with a known set of circumstances but sometimes there are small areas where they don't work as well as they should.

A Formula 1 car with its low suspension is great but not if there is a pot hole.

So you try to have a kind of a Range Rover approach where you get speed and efficiency with a bit of robustness.

But the approach angle on a Range Rover is not as good as the old Series III land rover and if you want to get out of a donga then you would love to have a little short wheel base mod 88 Series III but the suspension is on old springs and you bounce around.

So assume that when there are gaps in the law, it is not because it is a joke but because there is a donga or a stretch of highway that the car is not really geared for.

Assume that the drafters of legislation are going for a Range Rover Evoque but wish that they could also have a little landy for the rough patches.

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Nice to see they're back, I've had great fun catching them on light tackle with dropshot.

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