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 Posted: Wed May 15th, 2013 07:11 am
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robyosh
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The heading :

 GRINDER SETUP FOR SALE

  rod and a coffee grinder

Perfect just what I`m looking for.

So I get what I ordered and bamb 12ft rod arrives and coffee grinder but the rod is for a multiplier, shooot what now so I send a pm saying it`s for a multiplier and no answer, I mean come on not all of us are stupid but some people really try and take the piss out of others.

With all decency be honest for one day it`s going to come around and bite you in your arse.

Well maybe I`m wrong it could be made for a grinder new type of rod, trigger winch reel seat tightens from the top first guide is small - please am I that so much out of date ?

And if I am wrong I apologize

So the question is what to do now.

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 Posted: Wed May 15th, 2013 07:15 am
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JD
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Name and shame, you would have been better off had you been warned before hand.

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 Posted: Wed May 15th, 2013 07:19 am
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robyosh
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I`ll give it till tomorrow to see the opinions

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 Posted: Wed May 15th, 2013 08:36 am
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To be honest the majority of Saltwater anglers are not clued up on what grinder tackle is and some think a grinder rod needs to have a long butt and some think it needs a short butt. (I build both for customs Grinder rods each with same blank ie same blank long butt for one client and short but for the other client)

Both are right but that depends on application and class of tackle and of course personal preference.

As for the guides the low rider concepts are fitted with a #20 guide as the biggest guide and are perfect for all forms of casting

Heavy application rods have lock down reel seats and not lock up reel seats ie popping and jigging.

The only thing that is wrong here is that the rod had a Trigger (this is not good for Grinders)

The seller might have used this rods as a grinder setup only making it so that he is not a chancer and didn't lie. This would be a perfect example of where posted pics would have prevented misunderstanding.

In my opinion he sold you his grinder setup and what he sees as a grinder setup is not what you see as a grinder setup so there is in my opinion a lack of information transference and neither is right or wrong.

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 Posted: Wed May 15th, 2013 08:45 am
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BigBen
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((goodp_((goodp_((goodp_Enigma wrote: To be honest the majority of Saltwater anglers are not clued up on what grinder tackle is and some think a grinder rod needs to have a long butt and some think it needs a short butt. (I build both for customs Grinder rods each with same blank ie same blank long butt for one client and short but for the other client)

Both are right but that depends on application and class of tackle and of course personal preference.

As for the guides the low rider concepts are fitted with a #20 guide as the biggest guide and are perfect for all forms of casting

Heavy application rods have lock down reel seats and not lock up reel seats ie popping and jigging.

The only thing that is wrong here is that the rod had a Trigger (this is not good for Grinders)

The seller might have used this rods as a grinder setup only making it so that he is not a chancer and didn't lie. This would be a perfect example of where posted pics would have prevented misunderstanding.

In my opinion he sold you his grinder setup and what he sees as a grinder setup is not what you see as a grinder setup so there is in my opinion a lack of information transference and neither is right or wrong.
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 Posted: Wed May 15th, 2013 05:16 pm
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Gcvanheerden
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If he thought it was a grinder setup he would have replied to the pm?

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 Posted: Wed May 15th, 2013 06:11 pm
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OvaR8ed
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I'm very paranoid when it comes to buying 2nd hand stuff. Don't get me wrong, I buy a lot of used stuff, but you have to bear in mind that when you pay it is usually on the agreement that you accept and keep the item, voetstoods.

It is for this reason that I only order new items in the post. When it comes to used stuff, I make point of holding the item in my hands before I buy, as a minimum requirement.

Damn sometimes I stand there feeling, probing, licking, sniffing, etc whatever it is I'm inspecting for 20+ minutes before I make a decision (Sometimes I even have to sleep over it), just never buy a used item in a hurry. If someone else beats you to the sale, then it wasn't meant to be...

I voted yes b.t.w. so don't get me wrong. He would've replied to you if he didn't just try to get rid of his old junk.

...But it is the buyer's responsibility to get as much information and pics about the item before he forks out his hard earned cash. Once the exchange has taken place, it is your junk, that's what voetstoods means.

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 Posted: Wed May 15th, 2013 06:53 pm
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Gc that is not necessarily the case many people only check PM's weekly when they log on, and who says hasn't answered the PM yet

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 Posted: Thu May 16th, 2013 08:29 am
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QAZA
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Sometimes 2nd hand fishing reels/rods are like buying a 2nd hand bakkie, before you buy, visually inspect first, then try it out, then take a few days to decide, pay the oke, still you have a fat chance later on to kick yourself ( if the misses does not do it for you ). Save up and buy new I suppose.

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 Posted: Thu May 16th, 2013 09:45 am
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robyosh wrote:
The heading :

 GRINDER SETUP FOR SALE

  rod and a coffee grinder

Perfect just what I`m looking for.

So I get what I ordered and bamb 12ft rod arrives and coffee grinder but the rod is for a multiplier, shooot what now so I send a pm saying it`s for a multiplier and no answer, I mean come on not all of us are stupid but some people really try and take the piss out of others.

With all decency be honest for one day it`s going to come around and bite you in your arse.

Well maybe I`m wrong it could be made for a grinder new type of rod, trigger winch reel seat tightens from the top first guide is small - please am I that so much out of date ?

And if I am wrong I apologize

So the question is what to do now.


THe heading 'Grinder setup for sale' implies that the rod can take a grinder.

This heading is misleading as the rod can only take multipliers.

Its the same if Hi Fi corp advertises a 37 inch tv for R3500 but then you get to the store and they say sorry we made a mistake, its only a 32 inch tv.

Why would you ask if the rod takes a grinder if the heading says so?

Seller is at fault,have you gotten any feedback from him?

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 Posted: Thu May 16th, 2013 11:30 am
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I still don't agree, if it has a reel seat that works then it can take a grinder.

If it has guides then one can cast a grinder with it. I am currently building the same rod for.2 brothers one wants a low positioned reel seat.and one a high positioned reel seat and both are fishing an Ultegra on the reels. so which of these brothers is buying a grinder rod and which.is not? Suppose it depends on what your idea or definition.of a grinder rod is They both believe they are right and that the other is wrong.

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 Posted: Thu May 16th, 2013 11:40 am
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DieterW
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I personally prefer the low real seat for my grinder setup.

12ft Looms and Franklin paired with an exellor.

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 Posted: Thu May 16th, 2013 11:48 am
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OvaR8ed
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Having a trigger and a small first eye doesn't really make it ideal for a grinder.

The up-facing trigger will dig into the palm of your hand and a small first eye will cause un-nessesary friction during a cast negatively affecting the casting distance.

It doesn't mean that it is a grinder rod if the grinder fits.

The buyer should've however inspected the rod before buying.

Both parties share the blame, the seller was ignorant and the buyer was negligent.

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 Posted: Thu May 16th, 2013 11:59 am
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Enigma wrote: I still don't agree, if it has a reel seat that works then it can take a grinder.

If it has guides then one can cast a grinder with it. I am currently building the same rod for.2 brothers one wants a low positioned reel seat.and one a high positioned reel seat and both are fishing an Ultegra on the reels. so which of these brothers is buying a grinder rod and which.is not? Suppose it depends on what your idea or definition.of a grinder rod is They both believe they are right and that the other is wrong.


This expert advice...

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 Posted: Thu May 16th, 2013 12:52 pm
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OvaR8ed wrote:
a small first eye will cause un-nessesary friction during a cast negatively affecting the casting distance.


This my friend is an idea that Mr Fuji put to the sword and utterly refuted Over 10 years ago and proved smaller and correctly placed guides increase casting range up to 20% on the same rod, reel and line combination.

Like I have been saying for a long while now, RSA freshwater bank anglers have been there and done that on Grinder rods for casting and have paid the school fees........

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 Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 09:43 am
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That is a very cool video.  Now if I can just figure out what the friendly Japanese man is saying.

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 Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 10:05 am
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 Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 06:59 pm
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i am just as bad with PMs if you do a deal like this you should have called him so phone him and if i were the seller i woul have taken it back gladly no harm no foul but a grinder setup with a pistol grip and small gide ....whahhahaaha no wonder these guys dont catch any fish :fbash

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 Posted: Tue May 28th, 2013 12:07 pm
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cpt chris wrote: i am just as bad with PMs if you do a deal like this you should have called him so phone him and if i were the seller i woul have taken it back gladly no harm no foul but a grinder setup with a pistol grip and small gide ....whahhahaaha no wonder these guys dont catch any fish :fbash
Can't agree more!!

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 Posted: Tue May 28th, 2013 01:44 pm
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Ag well you know I`m not such a bad person I won`t mention any names but still have not had a reply and I`ll just add the rod to my collection and the reel well mmmmmmmm he just ain`t no more after a smooth hound decided to give it a run for it`s money it doesn`t seem to want to work no more :fbash it`s actually *** funny for everyone rants and raves a bout the cheap adrenalin but now I`ve proved alot of people wrong that it just ain`t a stradic.

Thanks for the advice everyone and have a blessed day

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