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sandgrain
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Hi friends,

I’m new to kite fishing and would appreciate any pointers. I bought myself a kite and taxi from Windsong in KZN and was thinking of going the “dropping bait” route when starting off. But now I need braid…. What type can you suggest which is not to pricey or will you go for something like Dacron??
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Hi there, I recently also got into kite fishing and have flown my kite all day long with no problems just using 0.6mm nylon, I use a diawa 900h on a 80lb tuna stick to reel the kite in. Works like a bomb.If you planning on using a KP to fly the kite with then I would invest in some braid to fly the kite as the stretch in the nylon has caused a few KP's to crack,just ask stu.

As for the braid used as backing on your kite reel(the one your going to fish with) I went with 100lb HMP, reason for going 100lb vs 80lb was that the 100lb will last longer and in total I have 850m of 100lb HMP braid and 300m of 0.8mm topshot and thats plenty line for a Tyrnos 50II, so if a fish can take 1150m of line then I don't wanna catch it.  As for why I chose HMP, simple it is an affordable braid and is 8-strand too, also it can easily be ordered in custom lengths through Enigma.

Last edited on Wed Oct 2nd, 2013 05:03 pm by Dave Batista

sandgrain
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Thanks for the feedback, I will follow up with E.
I’m only gone use the kite to drop my bait, with a separate rod and reel for the fish, do I need topshot on my kite reel?? or am I missing something…
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My kite setup for dropping baits is a Tor 50 with 200m 0.60mm and 700m 75lbs braid

My setup for ferry drops was 100lbs HMP on a very stout boat rod with a KP but most baits I deploy are to large for the Ferry.

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Is That torium
's Gears holding , being cranked against permanent pressure exerted by The Kite Craig ?
i wont be using a reel Again - i figure it's a Little too Strenouous and i Doubt any reel Is designed to be wound up against Tight line .

How have you overcome This obstacle ?

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I've been using the same Tor 50 for 5 years now on the kite and probably done in excess of 200km of drop and retrieve.

The reel is smooth and works just as well for fishing, casting and kite drops.

One must tack and set the lift on the kite to maintain no more than 4kg of pull but I prefer 3kg and at that you just reel away.

One should never sukkel with a kite when retrieving it, if you do then the kite is not set correctly.

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40cm Storm kit for wind to 110km
65cm High wind kite for 25-60km
1m for low wind of 12-25km

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In the heavy winds 4 strand braid tends to sag when sent a long way out. My experience 70-80lbs 4strand braid is the best.

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please remember I'm a newbe..how do you set the kite, and what about the tail???

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7-10m of 7mm ski rope, as soon as you go thicker it pulls the kite square to the wind and you can't retrieve the kite

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Recently bought a 10m 5mm skei rope and have flown the kite in all winds and it's very stable.

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just a thought
should you not go thicker on the kite line.
a pulley will, surely wear out the braid over time or am I missing something here

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What pulley would you you be referring to?

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next time I go kite fishing I'm gonna take a video and upload it to youtube of how it works so everybody can see just how easy it is.

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The best tail is the rolls of mesh that is used for onions, butternut etc use 13 turns around your arm make a loop and leave a shorter tag of 5 turns
Tacking depends on type of kite. square kite use a matchstick to shorten to the side you tack or add drag on that side

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a skei rope for the tail??? boy I have a lot to learn.
i'm gonne try it tonight, as die bosveld wind saamspeel:sa:

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Enigma wrote:
What pulley would you you be referring to?dalk die taxi wat die aas uitneem "pulley system

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Enigma wrote:
What pulley would you you be referring to?dalk die taxi wat die aas uitneem "pulley system

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Enigma wrote:
What pulley would you you be referring to?dalk die taxi wat die aas uitneem "pulley system

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Yes when using a ferry system you need a super taught system so the ferry doesn't sag into the water. Then I prefer a good 0.80 or 1mm line to manage the tension.

The ferry runs on a system the same as a slide and does.no damage to the line.

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Thanks for the advice, the 7mm ski rope tail works like a dream.
Because of the friction that the taxi system will have on the line I decided on 80lb Dacron just to be on the save side. I put 850m of the Dacron on a 10inch KP with one of my kids 5 feet rods and it worked fine even with reeling it in. I Will change the kiddies rod to a strong boat road later

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Hi There, I am new to the kite fishing thing and I need a KP reel, do you know where they are obtainable from?? I have been looking for days on Internet, no luck so far!

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My tip for using any KP to fly a kite:
To prevent it from cracking or bursting (and believe me they do break) is to fill the centre with fiberglass resin, let it dry and then turn the reel around. then drill 3-4 holes right through the KP's centre so that it just enters the fiberglass on the other side. Then fill this side also with fiberglass resin. By doing this, you are reinforcing the wall where the KPs crack due to tension. Mine cracked on my second outing but I've put it into a press to make it straight again and then did my modification/conversion brakpan style and it works like a charm.
Will post pics as to help my explanation where my Ingels have failed me

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Hi Neptune, I got mine fromm a shop in St Lucia..
do know around your area

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Hi All, I've used to fly a kite on a mono line and just recently upgraded to a braid.
It is slipery and I don't know how to attach a release clip to that.

Dacron tubing is one option. They sell the dacron in large spools and costly.

Are there any other options available ?

Thanks to everyone responding !

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Andrei

If I understand you correctly then you only need maybe 8-10 inches of Dacron to slide over your braid in order to tie to your dropper without the braid cutting into itself ,and or to be able to make a knot with a less slippery surface line.

If that is the case and you cannot bum a short length of Dacron off somebody, and you have already searched Flyfishing stockists as they sometimes stock short lengths to make looped connections.Then I would recommend searching for a length of Jerry Brown or similar type of braid which is hollow-core similar to Dacron. Even a length of very thick 200lbs Power-pro or HMP-Braid could do the job..

Once you have your braid through this section of ''tubing'',you can obviously leave it on period as it will wind onto your reel without any hassles. I suspect that Mullers'kites (under correction) have a Triangular-shaped dropper which is tied in the same way i.e using a Dacron-sleeve of sorts.

Keep us posted.;)

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Fold the braid double and tie an improved clinch or Polamar knot with the doubled loop.

General rule of thumb for braid is to simply increase the number of turns in your knot. The reason the knots slip is that braid does not stretch so it needs a larger surface to grip over.

So if you normally use 4 turns in your nylon knot to tie the release clip, use the same knot with 8 -10 turns and it will hold 100%

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Thanks Kitefisher and Enigma.
I went with double-loop double-line palamar knot for time being and will continue to shop around for Dacron tubes.

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Andrei

The 'tube' you are looking for will be in any braided rope.
Get yourself some braided lashing rope around 5mm

Cut off a short length...say 20cms and open the frayed end...you will find a center 'heart' pull/remove this and then you have the tube.
You can utilize a cigarette lighter to burn the frayed ends of the tube, best that you thread the 'tube' on a piece of wire, so that you dont burn the ends closed.

Got it?

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From the mullers kite fishing dvd which they supply with a kite order

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3 - works very well

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Enigma wrote:
I've been using the same Tor 50 for 5 years now on the kite and probably done in excess of 200km of drop and retrieve.

The reel is smooth and works just as well for fishing, casting and kite drops.

One must tack and set the lift on the kite to maintain no more than 4kg of pull but I prefer 3kg and at that you just reel away.

One should never sukkel with a kite when retrieving it, if you do then the kite is not set correctly.

Windsong kites
40cm Storm kit for wind to 110km
65cm High wind kite for 25-60km
1m for low wind of 12-25km


Enigma...are you using an anemometer to measure/gauge the wind speed?
where can one obtain this?