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 Posted: Fri Mar 21st, 2014 08:07 am
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Hi fellow fisho's
Thought I'll share this video - it's unreal.


http://youtu.be/jahddqzKhLY

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 Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2014 12:18 pm
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That was so cool and quick

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 Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2014 12:28 pm
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Very nicely demo'd, but I think that's fine with mono. If you tried that on Fireline or super slick 8, I recon it will slip and you will lose out on the effectiveness of the double strand.

For the slightly "waxy" superlines, do many more turns and more locking half hitches. Turn the knot from a 30 second knot into a 300 second knot. Four and a half minutes is a reasonable investment in good insurance for landing the big one.

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 Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2014 05:00 pm
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Martin, all the knot guru's differ from you in terms of the turns in a Bimini....... the less the better with Braid/Super Lines.

The loop is locked when the 2 arms of the Bimini's loop is either Catspaw'd, Unit to Uni or whatever connection is used so it couldn't slip even if you try.

Another interesting point is that any superline that is Bimini'd will break on the bimini and not the mainline and hence the use of the PR for the most secure connection.

The Bimini in that Videao is just by chance tied in Braid.

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 Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2014 05:29 pm
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Martin, all the knot guru's differ from you in terms of the turns in a Bimini....... the less the better with Braid/Super Lines.

The loop is locked when the 2 arms of the Bimini's loop is either Catspaw'd, Unit to Uni or whatever connection is used so it couldn't slip even if you try.

Another interesting point is that any superline that is Bimini'd will break on the bimini and not the mainline and hence the use of the PR for the most secure connection.

The Bimini in that Videao is just by chance tied in Braid.


Howzit Craig... long time!

I'm with you on where the break will happen, and I do prefer a PR, but I have used a bimini successfully with power pro super slick with a lot of turns, 40 or so, and a rather gentle reverse turn (when turning back on itself). I find that a tight turn substantially weakens the braid at the point that the single braid enters the bimini.

I have experimented a lot at home to come up with a less time consuming connection than a PR, and while it remains almost indisputably the best join, I have used a yucatan or Tony Jones Leader knot with good success when things get hectic. The weak link is always the bimini so I've done a lot of destructive testing on it to try an find the optimum way to do it with braid.

I will go and play some more following your comment. How many turns do you recommend?

I'd much prefer to be actually fishing though :)

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 Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2014 06:54 pm
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MArtin I have been reading a lot on Paulus's site in Au and he has all the tools and obviously a lot of time and a passion for knots.

He concurs and his tests show that Stitched loops consistently outperform all other loops in Braid.

His tests also indicate that splicing solid braids together is the way to go in joining solid braids......

Also take some time to read up a bit about his PULL ON leader.

After reading all the tests and data he puts out on the site you will see that the Bimini in Braid is not a good option....

40-60% of breaking strain is achieved in most cases and it seems a 70turn is the better knot to tie..... a top tip is

"ALWAYS pull up a bimini before you tie it to anything, put it onto a peg nail in the bench and pull to settle it in."

Some braids definitely knot better than others and on a very detailed read you will pick up that it has to do with strand lengths and irregularities and the way the knot is pulled tight is also key in maintaining strength.

Some interesting read and test strengths of Bimini's

Bimini Twists how good are they??,, gathering info

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=72&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

Why Braid Knots & Bimini's Fail

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=20&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

Bimini failures

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=56&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

End Loops in Solid Braid now 99%+ strong

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

Braid to Braid joins/splices in "Solid Braid" 99

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

And then ALL types of KNOTS Tested

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/4knotstested.htm

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 Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2014 06:54 pm
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MArtin I have been reading a lot on Paulus's site in Au and he has all the tools and obviously a lot of time and a passion for knots.

He concurs and his tests show that Stitched loops consistently outperform all other loops in Braid.

His tests also indicate that splicing solid braids together is the way to go in joining solid braids......

Also take some time to read up a bit about his PULL ON leader.

After reading all the tests and data he puts out on the site you will see that the Bimini in Braid is not a good option....

40-60% of breaking strain is achieved in most cases and it seems a 70turn is the better knot to tie..... a top tip is

"ALWAYS pull up a bimini before you tie it to anything, put it onto a peg nail in the bench and pull to settle it in."

Some braids definitely knot better than others and on a very detailed read you will pick up that it has to do with strand lengths and irregularities and the way the knot is pulled tight is also key in maintaining strength.

Some interesting read and test strengths of Bimini's

Bimini Twists how good are they??,, gathering info

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=72&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

Why Braid Knots & Bimini's Fail

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=20&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

Bimini failures

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=56&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

End Loops in Solid Braid now 99%+ strong

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

Braid to Braid joins/splices in "Solid Braid" 99

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39&sid=abc5ee2c01cc2fe92e0693b955b44181

And then ALL types of KNOTS Tested

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/4knotstested.htm

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 Posted: Sun Mar 23rd, 2014 10:42 am
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Thaks Bud. I'll go to the links tomorrow when I have decent bandwidth at the office. My internet on the farm here runs on paraffin and coal.

I've always loved his site and his detail. It's an awesome resource when it comes to making that next (usually economically substantial) braid purchase. Before going to Bassas in 2012 I spent quite a few hours researching on his site.

I do remember a curious omission though... about 2 years ago, he was asked by someone about the PR and he replied that he had never heard of it. I guess you're never too old or too informed to learn new stuff hey.

I've been "out" of fishing for about a year now because of work constraints, but am starting to get back into it. I will checkout Paulus's site again and see whats new. Appreciate the input.

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 Posted: Sun Mar 23rd, 2014 11:13 am
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He has some tests on the PRODUCT and he doesn't like or test it.....

I have found a stitched loop to Bristol to always be 100% and a stitched loop to Bob Sands to always be 100% but the knot in 1.4mm+ to be to bulky

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