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Kumz
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Hi Guys ....

 

Just a quick question ???

What would you guys say if we had our own online store here @ Sealine .

We complain about tackle shops being expensive !!!

We can support a supplier here thereby enabling us to focus all our $$$ to this supplier thereby enabling them to get  to get us better prices ....

Have your say ???

 

Maybe we can get something going here !!! 

 

Regards

 

Kumz

nb:This is my idea & does not reflect on the management team of Sealine  

nizaam
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howzit kumz

if it could save from being ripped off why not, at the same time it could also help with running cost of this great site

regards

nizaam:::S

Kumz
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nizaam wrote: howzit kumz

if it could save from being ripped off why not, at the same time it could also help with running cost of this great site

regards

nizaam:::S


@ Nizaam ... :first,, U hit the nail right on the head ... :clap12.

Win win Situation !!!!;)  

camstaude
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Like all things, if well managed it would work.

I think an online shop for sealiners would be awesome. It would also be a great way for various suppliers to punt there goods to a caputered markedt by giving the on line supplier good deals.

This forum would be a great place for any new products to be launched through and debated and the supliers would be able to get great feedback on their products via them being sold through the online shop.

Since many of us are on this site daily I for one would be grateful to be able to buy on line here instead of having to travel out to either Fourways, Woodmead or Benoni to go to a shop on the weekends when it is not often viable to do so.

mnyamane
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Great idea.

(Anonymous)

Mickey
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Sealine already has (and is) a 2nd hand shop!

Kumz
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We can get suppliers to even promote certain stuff say eg . " september special x-type line ..0.45 ..20lb ..R70 per spool ...." we could push quantaties ..lowering prices!!!

As Camstaude said ....

skrops
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Kumz wrote: Hi Guys ....

 

Just a quick question ???

What would you guys say if we had our own online store here @ Sealine .

We complain about tackle shops being expensive !!!

We can support a supplier here thereby enabling us to focus all our $$$ to this supplier thereby enabling them to get  to get us better prices ....

Have your say ???

 

Maybe we can get something going here !!! 

 

Regards

 

Kumz

nb:This is my idea & does not reflect on the management team of Sealine  

lol, Kumz couldn't help but to laugh when I saw your disclaimer.........

I suggested this with last argument on how we can generate income for sealine. so my vote is yes.

Kumz
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@ Skrops ... had to Bru ..cos u know mos .... LOL
Thanks for the support ...


Guys ,if you object ! that's great .. but tell us why ???

Pls let's all vote & have your say !!!!

Kumz
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134 views & only 13 votes ???? 10 % .
Come on guys ????

Andre Laas
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My vote would be a definite Yes!

I would love to see a Internet angling supply store where you have more choice than is the case with current shops. I think the biggest problem with our current online shops is that a lot of them is not dedicated enough to Internet sales, meaning that you get a limited range of products online compared to what is available "in-shop". E-mail or on-line queries also take a long time to get answered.

Maybe something in the lines of Kalahari.net may work? There you can view different products, and based on where the supplier is you get an estimate delivery time frame (e.g. usually shipped within 7 days, or available for overnight delivery).

preggs
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Great idea Kumz, Long overdue

preggs

neilg
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I say YES

but

who pays for the development of the secure payment site ?
who pays for the stock that has to be bought ?

are you prepared to wait 1 week to get the stuff you want ?

drewmill
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i say definitly yes. i like to browse and it is easier for me to get things online than to go to a shop. for it to work though you need to make sure the prices are competitive with other online and even tavkle shops, in many cases should be cheaper as the overheads are lower. you must cater for all facetes, ie fresh water and salt in the various forms, have postage free after a certai amount paid.

my biggest thing with current online stores is they only stock a few brand items and you have to visit a few sites to compare also some of them dont display price lists and i tell you you would get more sales if people browsing could compare prices

badballie
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Great idea yes !

Logistically though a bit of a nightmare to organise, but not entirely impossible.

As for stock - one will need to have arrangements and accounts with supplier - a broad range of suppliers to satisfy all the disciplines needs. Suppliers require credit checks and guarantees + you will need start up capital to keep an inventory.

Online payments - again costs involved in setting up an https portal for secure payments - or alternativlely try and link with Verisure (correct name?) - maybe even Paypal.
Can arrange internet transfers to a company bank account - again just a hassle to set up, if no CC or company exists yet. Obviously be registered for VAT and income tax - with the audits etc.

To arrange deliveries, one can use any overnight courier company and many are able to deliver between 24 - 48 hrs.
Again the only problem being setting up a 30 or 60 day account with them - re credit applications where reg no, VAT no etc are required.

Maybe on of the tackle shops advertising here can see the advantage and come in a partnership with Sealine as they would already some of the above in place ie supliers - being registered etc.

Kumz
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Thanks for all you guys input .

Now would any of the Tackle gusy would like to take up the oppurtunity ....

We can perhaps pay you direct for now ???
Advertise guys ....

claytonvdm
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Good idea!

Proppie
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Hi Guys !

I live in Worcester and only drive to Cape Town to buy tackle mostly from Fishing Specialist because thats the only 1 I know, but it seems the prices are a little bit to high so for the last six months I bought from Fishing Tackle and Bassil Manning, both good service and fast delivery time but price wise I still think the guys profit margin is high

a Big YES for online Tackle Shop.

I someone can help me with other Tackle shops in Cape Town area with direction I would apreciate it.

neilg
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Why not start small ... a site linked to sealine that just shows products and prices, make contact with "owner", get banking details and deposit.

Then stuff can be sent to us.

Just remember that shipping adds to the price, which could actually make it more expensive on alot of products.

neilg
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as income is generated, it can be spent on creating a secure site with online payments.

Kumz
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Kewl ...

Come on Sponsors & Admin ..

Hook us up ....

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guys

 

i have been assisting many with their orders and have mailed all over SA

I believe that i am already doing what you guys are asking for!!!!!

 

Think about it.

Plus you are getting your stuff from a registered tackle trader and i deal direct with most of the agents myself.

Why need for all of this just PM me your request like you guys do all the time.

Emp contact me help me do a banner and i will pay to advertise this service online!!!

Kumz heres it for you mate!!!!

By the way i checked out the prices on wholesale for the MSA mining lamps and they are going to cost me alone about R 1250. ::craz

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Well there we have it! :) I have also gotten great prices from khan as many of you as well I'm sure.

Kumz
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@ Khan ..thanks for the MSA prices ..
No thank you ,i will make dowith what i have for now

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Kumz wrote: @ Khan ..thanks for the MSA prices ..
No thank you ,i will make dowith what i have for now


these prices are ridiculous, i cant even buy one on wholesale and use it myself, i might get divorced if the wife finds out.

 

I am however working on getting the headsets from MSA and building ones similar to that of rob's. will send you the cost.

I also got hold of the brentwood 9led and halogen head lamp also comes with a recharger. Gonna try it out tonight, if stands the test of TIME, then i am going to get some for our club guys in the future. Cost around R200.

Marthin
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Khan, what i'm looking for is the 9led & halogen, no battery and that i can plug it into a lighter socket. All these things come with chargeable batteries now, and those just suddenly die on u. I want to use it on the boat.

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Well done!!!!!!!!!

 

This must be one of the best ideas I have heard dus far. I agree. I am being ripped off. It cost's me more to drive from one shop to the next cause they are cheaper. I am in

Cobus Blouberg
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Yes, a big one.

And get the suppliers to carry the can for setting up the service, in exchange for a bit of additional exposure, etc.

And the membership tally is a huge bargaining tool, particularly if the average Sealiner profile is concerned. 'Should be a retailer and supplier dream.

Mike Pike
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Cool idea Kumz, start small with products / pricing...etc.. as Neilg said and then take it from there .

AndriesH
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Hey guys - how are your heads working?
Explain something to me.
The S.A. Recreational angling fraternaty is ruled by the importers and wholesalers. Any retailer not conforming to their prescriptions will not make it, unless you put R 5 mil into it and try and bypass the system.
Sales are driven by volume - that is volume of shops buying from the suppliers, not the public buying from the shops. The target market is - The Shopkeeper.
Here on Sealine we have several shops running, guys trying their nut to either make a living, or to get rich from this business.
Khan, Cheapest fishing, Hightide, Jigastar and now even my own Bluecity are right here, doing exactly what this thread is trying to initiate.(Sorry if I missed anyone).
Now somebody doesn't like what these guys are doing, what then, open a new shop, cut prices sell it cheaper. Get another bulk order into the wholesalers and see another retail shop close down.

Local manufacturers: are mostly not geared to deal with small retailers. If I need 100 lures, 10 types, 5 sizes, two of each, who is going to supply that (R35 each, = R3500). Manufacturers make 100 of each, size, type and colour at a time, meaning he has to run 50 batches to cater for my requirements, it's not on.

Who will run this online shop and at what price?
Will somebody do it for free? tell that to the kids.
Will a hosting company supply you the webspace for mahala? they don't run charities.
Will you get a database administrator to manage an online database at less than R300k per year, not likely.
So where does it leave you?

I'll tell you:
Cost + 10%, otherwise put your money in the bank.
+15% for packaging and shipping, getting the customer to pay for it - you ain't so cheap anymore.
+7.5%, for your on-line infrastructure.
+15% for the expertise to develop and maintain the database requirements.
+10% for your administrative workload, bookkeeping etc.
Oh, and say R10k for yourself to feel you at least appreciated.
So that's a markup of 57.5% so far.
Have you thought of depreciation, salaries and wages, replacement cost of product due to increases in cost prices.
Space to put the boxes down in.
That makes it 75% to 90% markup.

Charity starts at home.
Fueling guys to put money into ventures without taking a serious look at what you are prepare to spend, is dangerous.

There is a huge market in his bussiness, so big that a 2007 survey valued it higher than rugby and cricket combined.
It does however need to be run like a bussiness. Let someone make a few Rands, he plows it back into stock, advertising, maybe sponsoring something small for a Sealine event, who knows? but it remains structured and organized.

There are many skills right here on Sealine that can be put to great use.
I have a Sealiner making traces for me, another has offered stainless steel and other metalwork on a custom build basis. There are guys importing small batches of speciality stuff, lets get them on-line, but in a bussiness format that can benefit everyone.

The biggest problem in this bussines is SERVICE, and nothing else. I spend more money at SPUR than in the tackle shop, so nobody will tell me expensive or not. I choose where I shop, and that is driven 90% by service - and that is why I opened my own shop, because SEALINERS have been crying for SERVICE, nothing else.

Maestro
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Have 2 agree with you man...wishful thinking is fun 2 write down and read,but its worth nothing in the grand scheme of things...full marks 4 the initiative though

AndriesH
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Hi Maestro.
I've taken it a step further and committed the idea to some of the importers / wholesalers.
They have responded with a good deal that I posted as a part of our registration drive:
"
Here's another good reason to register:
Here's your first deal:
10' 2 piece Graphite rod with Penn (11Bearings) spinning reel.
http://bluecity.co.za/oscommerce/product_info.php?cPath=70&products_id=181"

Double Deadly have also contributed to this drive, so check out the Chillers and cooler section.
"
Now it's wait and see if talk turns to action.
(it better, I's my c..k /cammo worm/ on a block)

Simen
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My Gallery: 
Khan, Cheapest fishing, Hightide, Jigastar and now even Bluecity are right here,
If we add another small shop to the list it might end up to be just anather drop in the ocean.
My feeling is if we support the already suppliers ( members of sealine ) and build them bigger we might end up with real competators.
Fact: it is easier to get in your car ( filled with fuel ) and drive to the tackle shop and buy over priced goods.
Fact: you dont consider the fuel as you have already paid for it.
Fact: We all go to buy a packet of hooks and walk out with a purchase tripple we had in mind.
And so the list goes on.

WHY: Dont we support our members and go through the little effort as to get prices from them and have the articles posted to us.

Count your blessings-- Should I want to buy a packet of swivels of the shelf I have to travel 260 KM to do it a half decent tackle shop. Then I dont even talk about the price.

Psy
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Simen, i agree with you in some aspects, but when you want a new reel? I have purchased numerous reels from Mr K.
Swivels and sinkers i wont go there, as its readily availiable closer to me, but prices for other kit is sometimes better elsewhere.
I will continue to support members of sealine.
:)

Hey Mr K....wheres the drag washers buddy?

AndriesH
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Just thought I'd share with you the nature of this bussines:
I received this mail a few minutes ago, after having recieved a full commitment on Friday and committing myself to you, very excitedly:
With the fear of further suppliers doing the same, I respectfully have to delete any indication as to which company had done this:

"
Hi Andries

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Firstly, I am sorry, but was under the impression you had a retail outlet as well as a website.
We unfortunately cannot supply you as just a website, as our retailers would get very upset, ======EDIT========

Let me know if you are happy with that and we can get them sent off.

Kind regards
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Wat nou.

This just comes to show how bad we the anglers get screwed over.

Is this the kind of people that suplly out tackle for us?

 It is a f..n shame.

 

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It would be a YES YES YES from me

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YES YES YES.

You can always have alook at open source software like MAMBO, JOOMLA with a integrated shopping cart system like Zencart or virtuemart which has the function for secure payments and various shipping componenets.(online tracking facilities via user backend):-)

You can add a payment gateway like EFT's aswell which works lekker.

Your customer can browse items and add them into a cart. When he is done he can complete the checkout and has the option to pay via, EFT or any other gateway sytem as per your setup.

Remember guys you cannot use paypal as you cannot receive money in SA from paypal. Been there done that!!

You can have a look at different payment gateways(If you need more info I will gladly steer you in the right direction)

I friend of mine runs his own hosting company and charges R400 p/a and includes domain registration, UNLIMITED disk space and 10 email accounts.

My recommendation is to stay away from oscommerce as the templates are too plain, and does not look very professional.

My site has been running for over a year and I have had many sales on the site and positive feedback from clients.

Just a thougt!!!

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Sounds like a great idea ! I shop a lot on the internet and will definately be interested.

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Sealine is a forum... not a tackle shop.

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benniejordaan wrote: Sealine is a forum... not a tackle shop.

I agree, although a great place to market and generate an income for the upkeep of Sealine, I believe we should not dilute what has proven to be a succesfull forum??

I also sell tackle amongst other things, and also get uptight when I feel I am getting ripped by the wholesalers, but by and large there are a lot of costs involved with some of the bigger guys, volume based ordering ,logistics and financing slow moving lines, lets face it, in a perfect world we would all love to have a full stock turn around in 60 days?? And the guys that are pulling the ring out of it will have there day, trust me. But I digress, we need the guys to advertise on the site to generate an income and the guys which dont contribute either through advertising or direct benefit to sealine members should not be allowed the free punt, I am guilty of this too as I have also indirectly advertised some items(;)did not help much still no sportsfisher in costa rica) but we certainly would not be doing our advertisers any good by cutting them out, why would they need to run there own focused sites? We would be diluting there interests and the ideals which Sealine was founded on.

We get pounded everyday with specials, limited offers and pressure purchases, I dont want to have that while chilling in front of Sealine...I have other sites for that.

 

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Ya, I didn't say all I wanted to say but basically last time I checked, the advertisers/sposors who generally are tackle dealers were paying for the upkeep. The upkeep of a site that the memers are now discussing how to cut them off.

Just an opinion. I am not a tackle dealer but I can understand how it would make them feel when they are paying good money to have their companies advertised.

I agree with SnR.
This is a place to chill and talk about fishing.

Last edited on Tue Aug 25th, 2009 07:06 pm by benniejordaan

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shagnrelease wrote: benniejordaan wrote: Sealine is a forum... not a tackle shop.

I agree, although a great place to market and generate an income for the upkeep of Sealine, I believe we should not dilute what has proven to be a succesfull forum??

I also sell tackle amongst other things, and also get uptight when I feel I am getting ripped by the wholesalers, but by and large there are a lot of costs involved with some of the bigger guys, volume based ordering ,logistics and financing slow moving lines, lets face it, in a perfect world we would all love to have a full stock turn around in 60 days?? And the guys that are pulling the ring out of it will have there day, trust me. But I digress, we need the guys to advertise on the site to generate an income and the guys which dont contribute either through advertising or direct benefit to sealine members should not be allowed the free punt, I am guilty of this too as I 
 


Finally someone sees what Admin has to see every day. The number of freeloaders on Sealine is increasing exponentially. Daily we have to delete several messages with guys taking cheap shots at advertizing their goods...

Nice post Shagger and Big ups to our PAID UP Advertizers! Down with the freeloaders!

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I have recently stated that I'd rather be a Sealiner than an advertiser and I'll stick to that.

This is a fantastic forum to discuss various products, brands, concepts and developments and there is a huge need for that, both from a sellers as well as a buyers point of view.

By not allowing or encouraging advertisers to initiate or participate in these discussions that have commercial value, you end up with a politically correct forum that exclusively draws attention to products and brands that do not contribute to the upkeep of the forum.

Can we establish or use a category where we can initiate such discussions?

As an example: the Omoto thread:
I need to do market research that benefits myself, as well as the fishing public from the various views expressed. Don't forget that there are many retailers and suppliers also following this thread, looking at the response from the public.

If I decide to make it a permanent product in my shop, it could contribute to the success or failure of it, having a cascading effect upwards and downwards from the manufacturer to the end user.

Establish some guidelines that prevent advertisers posting prices, but not the public for example. Then we can state to which product or range we are comparing it to and then compare stats and features for instance.

Just my 2c

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AndriesH wrote: I have recently stated that I'd rather be a Sealiner than an advertiser and I'll stick to that.

This is a fantastic forum to discuss various products, brands, concepts and developments and there is a huge need for that, both from a sellers as well as a buyers point of view.

By not allowing or encouraging advertisers to initiate or participate in these discussions that have commercial value, you end up with a politically correct forum that exclusively draws attention to products and brands that do not contribute to the upkeep of the forum.

Can we establish or use a category where we can initiate such discussions?

As an example: the Omoto thread:
I need to do market research that benefits myself, as well as the fishing public from the various views expressed. Don't forget that there are many retailers and suppliers also following this thread, looking at the response from the public.

If I decide to make it a permanent product in my shop, it could contribute to the success or failure of it, having a cascading effect upwards and downwards from the manufacturer to the end user.

Establish some guidelines that prevent advertisers posting prices, but not the public for example. Then we can state to which product or range we are comparing it to and then compare stats and features for instance.

Just my 2c


Andries I hear what you say and feel for your predicament.

However, Sealine is not the place for Advertizers to do "Market Research" - what if all the tackle shops wanted to do what you are doing in the Omoto thread? Every thread on the open forum would become one big 'surreptitious' advert - clients being poached left right and centre - just as the Omoto thread has become! (Which has now been locked!) There is nothing wrong with posting a factual article on a particular product, however, a person having a commercial interest in the product may not partake in the discussion that follows - otherwise it turns out into a big promotion; and ethically, a conflict of interests arises. Then the inevitable complaints start pouring in from the Advertizers on Sealine.

You must understand that this disadvantages all the other paid up advertizers. If we allow Tackle dealers to do their "Market research" on Sealine, then Sealine might as well register as another Bid or buy... is that what Sealine is destined for...? Hopefully not.

Sealine Admin has therefore taken the decision that there will be no advertizing from commercial operators on the Open Forum - either subliminal, surreptitious, or blatant - call it what you like. We are determined to keep Sealine as professional as an Angling Forum can be... without the petty mudslinging and backbiting from Tackle dealers that has happened recently.

Hoping for your understanding... :SSS

 

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isn't there any existing tackle store owners who are willing to help?
They get rabates with quantities.
If they supply Sealine @ cost + 10% they will score because of pushing qtty.
I run a online tackle store & it works 4 me

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prokayak wrote: isn't there any existing tackle store owners who are willing to help?
They get rabates with quantities.
If they supply Sealine @ cost + 10% they will score because of pushing qtty.
I run a online tackle store & it works 4 me


EDITED BY ADMIN
Khan, please obey the Advertising rules.

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Reefman wrote: shagnrelease wrote: benniejordaan wrote: Sealine is a forum... not a tackle shop.

I agree, although a great place to market and generate an income for the upkeep of Sealine, I believe we should not dilute what has proven to be a succesfull forum??

I also sell tackle amongst other things, and also get uptight when I feel I am getting ripped by the wholesalers, but by and large there are a lot of costs involved with some of the bigger guys, volume based ordering ,logistics and financing slow moving lines, lets face it, in a perfect world we would all love to have a full stock turn around in 60 days?? And the guys that are pulling the ring out of it will have there day, trust me. But I digress, we need the guys to advertise on the site to generate an income and the guys which dont contribute either through advertising or direct benefit to sealine members should not be allowed the free punt, I am guilty of this too as I 
 


Finally someone sees what Admin has to see every day. The number of freeloaders on Sealine is increasing exponentially. Daily we have to delete several messages with guys taking cheap shots at advertizing their goods...

Nice post Shagger and Big ups to our PAID UP Advertizers! Down with the freeloaders!


Guys I apologise for bringing up a topic that seems to be over and done but I really would like to have my say on this. While I agree that persons linked to certain shops or products should not be allowed to use the forum to promote themselves I do feel that we as members without links to these should be allowed to reccommend who and what we please. I recently had excellent service and I do mean excellent from 2 tackle suppliers one is a paid advertiser the other is not. Am I now only allowed to reccommend one of the 2 to fellow members because he is an advertiser? Surely by saying that we should only reccommend our paid up adverisers we become no better than ESA who can only reccommend Daiwa etc because that is who pays their salaries. I know I would rather pay a monthly subscription and be free to promote who and what I want (as long as I am not linked to that person or product) rather than have a free sealine where our advice to fellow members is governed by concerns over who is paid up rather than the best service/price.

New2Fish

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New2Fish wrote: Guys I apologise for bringing up a topic that seems to be over and done but I really would like to have my say on this. While I agree that persons linked to certain shops or products should not be allowed to use the forum to promote themselves I do feel that we as members without links to these should be allowed to reccommend who and what we please. I recently had excellent service and I do mean excellent from 2 tackle suppliers one is a paid advertiser the other is not. Am I now only allowed to reccommend one of the 2 to fellow members because he is an advertiser? Surely by saying that we should only reccommend our paid up adverisers we become no better than ESA who can only reccommend Daiwa etc because that is who pays their salaries. I know I would rather pay a monthly subscription and be free to promote who and what I want (as long as I am not linked to that person or product) rather than have a free sealine where our advice to fellow members is governed by concerns over who is paid up rather than the best service/price.

New2Fish


Bradley... no problem for bringing this up, it needs to be discussed. You will notice that if someone has some accolades to sing about a certain product, company or supplier, we allow that to go ahead, whether the company is a Paid up advertizer or not. There are no holds barred when it comes to ordinary members making a legitimate post about a product/supplier. Is ESA a product? Darn right it is! And we allow posts about ESA every week.... (yawn). Shimano/Daiwa are products right? Same thing!

The problem comes when guys abuse this... a Bait supplier, for instance, will get all his mates to give him a punt without paying a zac... we won't allow this. Certain companies have been blacklisted in this regard - just no ethics whatsoever.

Certain companies don't have much of an ethic when it comes to this... so we need to be fairly strict on certain things. You can name the Supplier who did good with you, but don't in the same post give out his address and telephone number, because then it becomes a blatant advert. And while most Sealine members are pretty good about this, there are always the dishonest ones, who will bend the envelope until it tears - these are the bad apples we want to stop...

 

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Mickey wrote:
Sealine already has (and is) a 2nd hand shop!

Could'nt agree more Mickey. But I suppose considering the number of Internet Anglers around it would only be fitting to have an Internet Tackle shop

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I'm in.

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Hell yea,

Guys i don't wanna take over here but think this an awesome idea and i have a mate in Meyerton that is willing to assist us with his tackle shop............we can arrange for deliveries(in and arround the east rand and vaal driehoek) if that is any constelation to making it easier for the angler.

He will give a price based on the interest of the sealiners and would more than likely be something like cost +10 or cost+15%..........there about.

Please let me know what you think about that!