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| Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 05:49 pm |
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carcharias Sealiner 
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I guess you could be the poster boy for skin& Ink magazine.LOL
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 10:28 pm |
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Finnseeker Senior Member 
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carcharias wrote: Fantastic! Thanks Finnseeker. You welcome - you fishing club events or just out and about trolling ?
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 10:45 pm |
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Finnseeker Senior Member
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Big G wrote: Great article. Big G - You need to get out the bathometric charts and look at the warm Agulhas current which sweeps down the coastline to the shore in the north, it meander as it nears East London, sometimes close, sometimes 12 miles offshore depending on the prevailing winds. At its strongest near the continental shelf and you will find pelegics there. Remember the warm Agulhas current brings pelagic fish south almost year-round. Seriously black and striped marlin, yellowfin tuna are caught off East London. I know good size kawakawa, skipjack tuna, king mackerel, queenfish, kingfish, dorado and wahoo are taken there year round Have you tried for Garrick at some of the deeper water shore spots like Brazen Head, Poenskop, Mbolompo, Mazeppa Bay, the East London harbour breakwater and Cove Rock. I know Tuna are sometimes taken from these ledges. Two marlin have also been hooked and lost here. Yellowtail, skipjack, elf and kob are around there too. Good luck go catch them
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 11:19 pm |
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carcharias Sealiner
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Finnseeker wrote: carcharias wrote:Fantastic! Thanks Finnseeker. Hi Finnseeker I havent had mutch chance to fish club events for billfish- only had my own boat since the beginning of the year. Havent owened a boat for 10 years. ( I must have been dilly) LOL. Next weekend we have a garric comp. The billfish should start to arrive during the next few weeks. I really dont care if its competitive or not , being on the water is always awsome.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 11:26 am |
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Finnseeker Senior Member
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carcharias wrote: Finnseeker wrote:carcharias wrote:Fantastic! Thanks Finnseeker. carcharias - What boat did you get ? any pics ? how have you rigged it ? Been without a boat is like going without sex ..............................Good luck with the Garrick Comp. Agree been on the water with friends and the comradre is what its all about .....oh and of course the ribbing when you stuff something up. Whats the SA record for Garrick now ?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 12:14 pm |
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carcharias Sealiner
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Hi Finnseeker I have an ex NSRI Renato Levi (24ft). The boat is rigged for tuna fishing. I am currently making a few small changes that will make it more suitable for general trolling. I find that the rods in the upright position are not ideal. Im busy making a trolling board that will fit into the stern rodholders. The idea is to make it so that it can be easily removed. Also changing the current outrigger setup. The leavy is heavy but pretty good for the conditions at Richards bay. We have very choppy conditions. Rarely get huge swell. The main reason is that the sea is very shallow. You can be pretty far out and still be in less than 50m of water. We have to run quite far to get to deep water. From about 20nm the gradient increases and things get more interesting. The shallow reefs do produce really well though. In summer Salies, Dorado and Couta are in abundance, even in the shallow waters. Not sure of the SA record for Garrick. Have seen some big ones come out this year already. Quick question: Are smaller dorado any good as bait for Marlin? (dead or alive) We had some smaller ones, in Jan, that were badly hooked and would not survive. I ended up cooking them for the guards at the marina.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 12:32 pm |
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Finnseeker Senior Member
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carcharias wrote: Hi Finnseeker carcharias - Are you kidding me dorado as big as 15 kgs I bridle and troll for black and blue marlin. Premier baits and those smaller ones wow dynamite. Dorado are tough last longer and you dont need to bridle them through the eyes just above in the head the thick bone part and they never come off. Ive had dorado leaping out the water and there behind one was a huge blue out the water 3 times crashing until it nailed the dorado. I have dorado teasers as well with mirrors alonside them like this Grab the dorado bridle them and troll them I would and I would run out to the 20 nm and drop them down. I have tuna tubes taht I keep them alive in all day . Use heavy dacron 600 lb so when the marlin strikes or attacks the teasers they dont break off and bye bye marlin. Waych out though as they incredibly strong and will tug a hard and not let go and when they do it can fly back and hit somebody. I have seen this and smash the glass of the salon. Last edited on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 12:38 pm by Finnseeker |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 02:26 pm |
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carcharias Sealiner
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Thanks again Finnseeker. I still have huge amouts to learn when it comes to billfish. Your advice is priceless. If you ever find yourself anywhere near RB - shout. The trip is on me, as well as accomodation. Going to get some heavy dacron ASAP.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 06:24 pm |
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GL Senior Member 
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Awesome quality thread HT,Finns,Carch. Have learn't plenty for trip next month on 12th Oct with Nomad in Oz where we are going to lizard island and jewell reef. this is aparently excellent lcation and time for marlin fishing as well as GT's and Doggies, etc. We have also arranged to target smaller marlin of +/-200lb on their grinder set ups . . . . what does this do to the fish as fight is bit longer?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 06:35 pm |
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tkei Sealiner 
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Why chase the little marlin around lizzard marlin??? Sep - End Nov is prime marlin season in that part of the world and granders are a serious possibility. Yes its on 130lb tackle, but to get one of that size doent happen every day, take your chance and GO BIG. Thry usually only start fishing for marlin latish in the day after 10am or so, so chase GT's etc in the am. Marlin marlin marlina fter that.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 06:57 pm |
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Nepptune Sealine Expert - Offshore 
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GL - where you been hiding mate? Lekker to hear from you, and that you still heading to Coral Sea!!! Did you get my text??? I gotta agree with Tkei - you have about as good a chanceas you'll ever have at a Grander Black on this trip.... do it properly! You'll have plenty time chasing Doggies/Wahoo/GT/Coral Trout on the spinning gear.... Do it right. ( And yes this is about the only time you'll hear me saying NOT to use a Stella !!! :-) But when you do hook up on those spinning set ups, you are fishing HEAVY drag on them, so put the hurt to those Billfish quicksticks!! Any outfit that can pin a 60 kilo GT in 5 minutes in super shallow coral infested waters should be able to handle a small Marlin.... Call me bro, we need to chat
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 12:04 am |
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Finnseeker Senior Member
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carcharias wrote: Thanks again Finnseeker. carcharias - Thanks a million for the generous offer much appreciated, I have not fished RB in many years and would love to get out there again. If I did id want to pay for all the fuel and bait. To be out there in RB would be one of my dreams come true again. Have you guys ever thought about doing a billfish seminar for those who want to target them, seriously SA has some big fish but not as targeted as other places around the world. Get a bunch of quality knowledgeable billfish guys to talk and show those interested then go out one day for a practical. Just a thought
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 12:07 am |
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Finnseeker Senior Member
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GL wrote: Awesome quality thread HT,Finns,Carch. GL - are you nuts .............................I would not be targeting anything less than those grander blacks there with live and dead baits ..............fishing of a lifetime. Leave the small gear at home take the 130's or you will be spooled. They should have them onboard and this will be a trip of a lifetime for you. Forget the smaller marlin you will see what I mean when you hook your first grander and see the explosion and the fight................seriously forget the small marlin you can get those anywhere but lizard is the place for some big fish so go for it.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 12:20 am |
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Finnseeker Senior Member
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Nepptune wrote: GL - where you been hiding mate? Lekker to hear from you, and that you still heading to Coral Sea!!! Did you get my text??? Hey Neps - I read you a stella fan....................................Are you using a stella for billfish ?
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 03:42 am |
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miles Sealine Expert - Offshore 
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Finnseeker. THANX for that AWESOME insight!! Spent the last few hours reading and absorbing!! You're absolutely spot on regarding our marlin fishery, especially here in the Cape. Besides the Canyon area, where everyone concerntrates on YF tuna, STRUISBAAI has just started having a annual marlin comp. Last year they had a GREAT comp, with mainly stripey's being landed. Unfortunately, the majority of the fish hooked were lost, due to the simply lack of knowledge regarding marlin fishing. Most of the guys are tuna anglers, who fished that comp. The main area is the 12mile banks, which is a mere 19nm from the harbour. We regularly spearfish here, as the area hold LARGE yellowtail. Its also the only place close to Cape Town that holds rainbow runners, the odd couta and even wahoo. Dorado is also quite common, with plenty of smaller tuna species, like skipjack and bonnito and even small 5kg class YF!! We also then have the Alphard banks, which is 40nm from Struisbaai harbour. This place is RARELY fished for big pelajics and with the amount of fish on the banks, its pretty much a guarantee that large pelagics will be found here. Two or three seasons back, a very knowledgable commercial skipper called my buddy to tell him of giant bluefin they saw leaping out of the water there. My buddies went down the next day, but too late!! They estimated those fish to be in the 200-300kg class!!  Hammertime, keen to take VIXEN down to the Alphard banks?? Some more interesting reading: last year we were spearfishing at Struisbaai when we met another friend who was doing a scuba shark diving charter. We went to the 12 mile banks and they went to the Skipskop area. Whilst chumming for sharks, they had hordes of yellowtail feeding on the chum and a +-180kg class marlin came to check them out! This was in 12m of water!! A good few years back another spearo i know speared a 180kg black marlin at Struisbaai, stoned the fish which promptly sank to the bottom in 20m of water! They eventually got that fish back up to the surface and into the boat!! Reading the old fishing books, the old commercial's in the Mosselbay area used to get harrassed regularly by "SPYKER-HAAIE" (nail-sharks!!), which used to take their fish. Even back then they had encounters with Marlin and to date i don't know anybody that regularly or successfully targets marlin in that area. All of these spots are with-in towing distance form Cape Town!!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 03:51 am |
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Finnseeker Senior Member
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miles wrote: Finnseeker. THANX for that AWESOME insight!! Spent the last few hours reading and absorbing!!Miles- anytime. Im certainly going to target marlin when im there everytime. Like you said many dont target the marlin catch and release as it takes a little more work. Can you give me info on this marlin event there I would not mind participating and sponsoring it to encourage them to get noticed. Im also thinking of getting involved in the old Blackwatch now the SAADSA billfish event and supporting and sponsoring it provided they all release no kill events for marlin. Gamefish division no problem but all marlin need to be released. Any info you have on any marlin tournaments let me know I would be interested in following up with everybody. Last edited on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 12:29 pm by Finnseeker |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 11:59 am |
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carcharias Sealiner
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Finnseeker wrote:
I will be chatting to a few skippers next weekend. Your idea about a seminar is really exiting. How about doing it in conjunction with the SADSAA comp? That way you will attract as many people as possible. I suggest that the weekend before the actual comp would be ideal. Most of the boats and crews will already be there anyway. I think our club is planning a friendly interprovincial that weekend . I will check all the deatails and PM you. There is not that mutch time so ill be pushing hard to get all the necissary info and permissions ASAP. Miles and Hammers , are you guys going to be avaliable for this ?
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 12:34 pm |
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Finnseeker Senior Member
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carcharias wrote: Finnseeker wrote: Well things are preliminary and at the early stages in discussions with this event. That certainly would be great timing and they could have several experts give a free seminar then go out fishing for those interested. I learn something new everyday from everybody thats fishing.....................
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 12:51 pm |
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tkei Sealiner
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Finnseeker, Thanks again for the info. havnt finished going through it all (baby takes all my time) but I passed it on a mates that have a boat and house at watamu kenya. They thouroughly enjoyed it. As for your 18 rods to create the school effect, on their 38ft Supercat up there we puleld 11 rods and the 25-30kg YFT arrived, 5 anglers 11 rods away and chaos. Makes for expensive fishing that. A year or 2 back they had Brad Philips do a seminar on Billfish fishing, but held it in jhb for those marlim manna. Of course most couldnt make it. For the rest of us plebs inthe sticks we have to rely on guys like you sharing info, reading etc and then hope to remember a little bit of it when that once in a lifetime marlin pops into the spread. Lat time it happend, i forgot it all and bye bye fish. Next time. You say for marlin need to fish the colour and current lines. I have always fished the colour changes and often have caught more on the dirty side. Usually the various tunny though, dorado usually ont he clean side, but not always. Off the transkei, I find there are few distinct temp changes. last dec, left the launch at 25deg and got tot the shelf and past it and temp was up to 25.5 int he 12-13km. Yip, our shelf close in there. battled to find any fish at all. This tends to be common our way. The only time i found a distinct clean current line with temp change, I dropped a stripy, so def need that change. We also battle due to us being the only boat that troll really. The rest only target bottom fish. One other boat does troll but they are fly fishermen so happy to get bonnies and dorado on the long wands. No way am I going 20 odd miles out as the only boat, not safe to do that so we dont cover water like other places can to find the fish. Thanks again.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 01:15 pm |
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carcharias Sealiner
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The dates that are advertised are from the 17th to the 21st Feb 2009. That makes the 13, 14 , 15th of feb the perfect time for a seminar.
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