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 Posted: Fri May 5th, 2017 03:53 pm
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@Houtarm

For me the Plaat is not about summer or winter, hot or cold - but all about wind direction. Walker bay faces differently from most other bays in the Cape (Look at a map and compare with False bay/Struis). An easterly wind therefore blows warm surface water out to create an upwelling of freezing water. Stick your big toe in after an easterly wind and you will see. It also flattens the surf and can make it very calm. A west wind on the other hand blows surface water in which is always warmer and usually around 17 degrees. A west wind also usually creates bigger swell, and ALSO blows the kelp in. For me a west wind is definitely and by far the wind you want for Gallies or Steenbras. the water is churned, warmer and oxygenated. I just hate the kelp which can be a *****.

I differ with Slapslaai in that I prefer the water to be working and fairly rough, within reason - definitely not calm. First prize for me is discoloured water (pea-soup). I caught a Kob in 12 degrees in such conditions. Then working waves and a ruffled surface comes second. I always say that if there are 3 "C's" (CALM, COLD AND CLEAR) - THEN DON'T BOTHER! My biggest Steenie I caught in water that was so rough I had to put my tackle ONTOP THE SAND-DUNE behind me - I kid you not! In my view I see rough water exposing food from the sand banks, scouring out new gullies - inviting fish to come in closer to feed.But that's just me guessing what the fish think.

As Slapslaai mentioned, the currents get horrible on the Plaat. And if you have kelp around also, you can end up going nuts with frustration. I choose my spot where there is a confluence of currents - you may have to move around a bit to find the "sweet spot" where the sinker doesn't get pulled all over. This also changes as the tide pushes. I also seek spots where the kelp is not accumulating - although this also changes with the tide. The purist will use a cone sinker and literally walk with the rod as the current takes it to a settling point (bank or something). I prefer fishing with 2 rods, so I use grapnels 5 oz.

@Slapslaai - if you have the secret for catching Steenie in calm clear water, I'm all ears!! I'm also curious to know what baits you prefer in colder water? I tend to use worm regardless, but it would be great to know if certain baits work better when the cold currents hit.

Regarding access to the Plaat - I personally absolutely love the walk on this amazing beach. The "three poles" dune on the beach takes me about 35 minutes and the Polle takes me one hour on the hard sand. I time my outings to walk there and back on the low or receding tide. When I have my 4x4 though I would like to explore the spots from de Kelder side.I only went as far as Mierkom by foot, which was a bit excessive in hindsight

I do think the Plaat is one of the harder beaches to fish, requiring alot of patience, but the rewards can be awesome!

I'm on 0823800676 if you wish to pen in my number

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Odysseus,

Thanks for all that info! One of the best pieces of info I've seen on Hermanus Plaat. As I said, I mostly fish the lagoon and sometimes from the rocks along the Cliffpath, but now I'm definitely going to make a gooi on the plaat!

I agree with you on the beauty of the place, I grew up in Hermanus and in my biased opinion it can stand up to any place on that front.

I'll send you a whatsapp, keen to learn more as I get there often.

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 Posted: Mon May 8th, 2017 05:10 pm
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@ Odysseus and Houtarm. Let me correct myself, I dont mean calm water, like in a dam or fishpond but nice rolling surf action, with good foam and movement. My personal experience is that in rough conditions "vergeet van Die Plaat". Yes, plenty of kelp and a current. Sometimes it is so bad you wont even feel a bite, your sinker will not hold. Lastly in that conditions lots of sand gets kicked up and you get langbeen water, die vis byt nie met langbeen water nie. Van die grootste Steenbras is al gevang met kalm water, maar nie plat water nie. Vir Galjoen maak temp nie so baie saak nie. As die water koud is, pas jou aas aan. Normaalweg is wonderwurm dodelik vir Galjoen. As die water koud is kry vir jou polwurm of hardewurm. Prawn werk ook. Poedingwurm is ook n goeie aas , veral met kouer kondisies. As die water op die Plaat te rof is, gaan klippe toe, of soos die mense se die Bo plaat. Daar by De Kelders. In sterk water kan jy ook die rotse vanaf Onrusrivier probeer. Daar werk mossel, en net mossel, in sterk water. Jy sal verbaas wees wat se Galjoenvis word in Harderbaai gevang as die water baie sterk is. Sandbaai se Strand en omliggende klippe is net so n goeie roep in sterk water omstandighede, ook weer met mossel as aas.

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 Posted: Mon May 8th, 2017 05:17 pm
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Odysseus, twee naweke terug is daar twee mosselkrakers duer twee verskillende hengelaars by die Damme gevang in plat water. Albei visse was oor die 12kg. Dit hang af van plek tot plek. Hier is plekker waar jy groot Steenbras in stormsterk water kan vang maar jy moet weet, waar en wanneer, en dan is die omgekeerde ook weer waar.

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 Posted: Mon May 8th, 2017 05:54 pm
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Thanks Slapslaai. I hear you. I have also been thinking that maybe in calmer water to use a lighter longer hook snood and no float? The fish are probably very "skrikkerig" in calm water. In rougher dirty water it doesn't matter too much. Maybe its good to not be too lazy and rig up according to conditions every time.

I don't see too many fish caught in Sandbaai, but its good to know that this and harderbaai are good rough water spots. I often wonder what the best rough water spots in Hermanus are. Sometimes it's just not worth going to the beach. Gonna give white mussel a go in those parts also. On the beach white mussel seems to get taken by crabs very quickly.

PS what is langbeen water? I never heard the expression!!!!

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Dankie Slapslaai!

Die afgelope naweek was die see darem rof. Ek het nie veel probeer vir see vis nie.
Wind was Saterdag ook nie aangenaam nie.

Ek het my eerste Gallie ooit van Onrus strand af gevang met my oorlede Oupa se ou stok en Pen49. Het self gedink Haarderbaai moet 'n goeie opsie wees in die rowwe see, maar nie tyd gemaak vir Onrus toe ry nie.

Wil hierdie winter 'n bietjie tyd spandeer om die Galjoen van Hermanus uit te figure, het nog altyd baie ure spandeer daar op die rotse met bitter min sukses.

My grootste Gallie wat ek ooit amper gevang het :?, was van die rotse voor by Bayview. Toe ek hom uit die water lig aan die lyn (soos 'n regte beginner), het die hoek los gekom. Hy beland toe in 'n skeur tussen die rotse onder ons, en voor ons by hom kon uitkom het'n brander oor gespoel en hy was weg :X.

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 Posted: Mon May 8th, 2017 06:06 pm
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Odysseus, I think "langbeen water" is when the waves break high onto the beach and then recede very far back as the water flows back, as is often the case on the plaat.

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 Posted: Mon May 8th, 2017 06:38 pm
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ah thanks - if that is the case then the Plaat is probably the most famous for this. Sometimes the water (like yesterday) recedes so far back you think you can see your sinker on the sand ;) - and in the meantime your rod-holders are actually on the sand dune so they don't wash away

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Houtarm wrote:
Odysseus, I think "langbeen water" is when the waves break high onto the beach and then recede very far back as the water flows back, as is often the case on the plaat.

Actually its the opposite. When the waves curl and crash down hard quite far out and repeats this sequence in long stretches along the beach.

Normally occurs when winds blow strong offshore and causes the swell to build against the wind resistance creating a huge wave that creates a tube that crashes down far out and sometimes repeats itself while rolling in onto the shore dump. _seal1_

Ideal conditions are when just the top of the wave breaks and you get a flat rolling surf. ::tight:

Last edited on Tue May 9th, 2017 12:26 am by Mike Smith

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 Posted: Tue May 9th, 2017 04:12 pm
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Odysseus, langbeen water normally occurs during rough conditions. You will get your normal wave action where the waves form break on the beach and pull back, but every now and then the water will pull back far with a strong current, sometimes your sinker is left high and dry. It gathers itself and then comes rushing up the beach again and sometimes you have to grab your tackle bag before everything washes away. It is basically like a surge. To change your end tackle during calm conditions is a good idea, make your hook trace a bit longer, in calmer water this way you will get more movement of your bait. In more working water, make it a bit shorter.

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 Posted: Tue May 9th, 2017 04:27 pm
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Houtarm & Odysseus, your best place to fish during rough conditions is from Schulphoek to Onrus and beyond. Schulphoek gives nice Galjoen in the first sloepie as you drive in on the right. But I dont fish there. IT IS NOT SAFE!!.

Sandbaai beach is a good spot to try with white mussel in rough conditions. At the moment Onrus Beach is looking good, the rocks have opened up nicely in the corner of the beach where the lagoon is. Dont try to fish here with the lagoon open, the freshwater from the lagoon is not appreciated by the fish. Lagoon is now closed, so it looks promising right now. Then there are a couple of holes from Onrus beach onward, but you must know exactly where to cast. And they only produce in rough to very rough conditions when you cannot fish anywhere else. I have also heard that there are also a number of gaatjies from Vermont in the direction to Brekfisbaai. I dont know them however. Towards Plankhuis there are also productive spots in the same conditions but not many anglers go there anymore. They either don"t want to walk or are concerned with the poachers. My opinion in regards to poachers is, leave them alone and they will leave you alone. I do not agree with what they do but one man can do nothing. So if you see them, steer away or leave the area. I recently fished Plaatjieskraal and found a group of poachers near the remains of the old ablution building in the now desolate camping spot. I was quite worried to leave my vehicle. At the end of the day I gave them two ice cold beers and my car was ok, they also gave me some abalone guts for bait. But normally I steer clear of them.

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 Posted: Tue May 9th, 2017 04:40 pm
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That is correct.

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 Posted: Tue May 9th, 2017 04:43 pm
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Mike Smith wrote:
Houtarm wrote:
Odysseus, I think "langbeen water" is when the waves break high onto the beach and then recede very far back as the water flows back, as is often the case on the plaat.

Actually its the opposite. When the waves curl and crash down hard quite far out and repeats this sequence in long stretches along the beach.

Normally occurs when winds blow strong offshore and causes the swell to build against the wind resistance creating a huge wave that creates a tube that crashes down far out and sometimes repeats itself while rolling in onto the shore dump. _seal1_

Ideal conditions are when just the top of the wave breaks and you get a flat rolling surf. ::tight:


Mike, see my reply to Odysseus about langbeen water.

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Thanks Slapslaai,

Its one thing I never explored in my time at Hermanus - all the rocky areas around Sandbaai. I always prefer beach fishing so never bothered with the rocks. Just once I through into a gully near Harderbaai and caught a Gallie to my surprise.Would also love to know where to catch Hotties, wildeperd etc

Maybe it's time to explore these areas with mussel when the winter swell is too big for the beach.. when langbeen water is around...

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The Gallies at Skulphoek would have to be biiig to convince me to make a cast there, definitely not save.

I don't think the water from Onrus lagoon is appreciated by anyone or anything.... :?

I used to dive for crayfish in the bays around Brekvisbaai, saw a lot of Hotties and a Gallie or two on most dives. This was about 5 years back though.

Thanks for your input, I'm very keen to explore that area when I get down to Hermanus again in a week or three ((r(e(ling

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Hi Guys

I’ll be hitting the plaat tomorrow for an overnight session till Saturday night. Any takers/joiners?

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