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 Posted: Sat Apr 3rd, 2021 07:44 pm
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I'm still in awe and shock after watching this documentary which offers video camera evidence of reasons behind fishing species being depleted internationally.

I'm not going to spoil the movie for viewers as I feel the whole World needs to watch this documentary as its beyond description.

I'm surprised that those that attained & revealed this feedback on international catches have actually survived to tell the story of this project during their international travel.

They actually put their lives on the line to reveal some of the reasons for the decline in fishing numbers.

For those that do get to see this documentary, if you feel the same as I do after viewing,spread the word about the movie as I'm hoping the world will see methodologies in slowing down the fish numbers declining before entire species gets wiped out.

For all those that have had the good fortune of catching a fish in the past,imagine those that will never have that fishing fever/Viskoers that grips you after your catch.







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I watched it a few night back... It really sums up our trajectory as a species and how we are failing the sustainability test. I came away from it thing to myself "thank heavens I'm already old"... But I feel for all the coming generations.

To me though, the elephant (or whale) in the room that was not mentioned, is our global population. Humans need to stop breeding... It's as simple as that.

Thanks for adding the post Walt.

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Wow Walt, long time since you been active here.
I see the documentary is accused of misrepresentation
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/31/seaspiracy-netflix-documentary-accused-of-misrepresentation-by-participants
But its still worth a watch

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Wow Walt, long time since you been active here.
I see the documentary is accused of misrepresentation
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/31/seaspiracy-netflix-documentary-accused-of-misrepresentation-by-participants
But its still worth a watch

Hi,Bud.
Thx for feedback,respect your up to date knowledge_seal1_

Respectfully,I tnink one would expect the major players to counteract accusations to save billion dollar franchises.

But imho this movie revelation is just a small drop in the ocean as I feel theres so much more happening in the oceans that we will never know.

So maybe this movie can still be of benefit to the fish population,as I for one had some Tuna offered to me & ignored it as I have no appetite for fish since viewing Seaspiracy,the movie.

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I watched it a few night back... It really sums up our trajectory as a species and how we are failing the sustainability test. I came away from it thing to myself "thank heavens I'm already old"... But I feel for all the coming generations.

To me though, the elephant (or whale) in the room that was not mentioned, is our global population. Humans need to stop breeding... It's as simple as that.

Thanks for adding the post Walt.


Thx,I epitomise your exact words,and getting old also has allowed us the benefits of being privileged to relay stories about those fish we could catch from the walls with Dad,etc.

But that was way before fish finders/echo sounders entered the frey.Just like you,I also feel for those that won't get the angling thrills & spills we once had.

This movie is climbing the charts & in its short time,it may reach all the audiences that can hopefully make a difference.

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It is not human population numbers, but stupidity that will kill us or collapse the nature that supports us..and kill us.

The chinese cant fish off somalia anymore so they make bamboo fads to float the indian ocean, float for months with a transponder on, hundreds of them floating..so a vessel goes to one every few months and nets the entire thing, does one as often as it takes time to sail to the next group and process the last catch..football tunas, big eyes, yellowfin..by the millions, to be canned and sent home and maybe even sold here..feed the hungry masses, or rather take mine and profit before someone else can. No control and even in some instances through government agreement. Those are our tuna that are our recruitment fish. If those millions of fish were allowed to live just five years and get to 100kg plus, the entire planet stock of humans could be fed for a year, and there would be so many baby tuna we would not be able to eat them kla in a a hundred years more.. But no they get turned in a can of chunk meat at barely 3 months old.

In the old days you did not need fishfinders, hell in the old days the sardine trawlers never needed to leave false bay, the kalk bay chukkies often never had to leave port in the morning as they caught so many white stump and hotties, the size of dinner plates while at anchor in the night waiting to leave (which is literally what the old stories say)..until the trawlers trawled the false bay reefs in their chops and we had caught everything else. Read the old books, in the old days I quote, "during a good season at the cape, approximately 200 leerfish, including catches made on handlines, are taken from the kalk bay pier. They are of a fair size ranging from 20-45lb, with a few larger ones up to 50 and 55lb. The first of a season is caught towards november, but the sport does not reach its height until february, when other big game fish have arrived in good numbers." Bidens Sea Angling fishes of the cape..

By other big game fish he is refering to yellowtail, tuna, kabeljou geelbek etc..There is a picture in the book of the pier littered with 500 yellowtail caught from the pier on handlines in one morning, average size 25lb, photo of a local holding a fish of 44lb. Now let me assure you most yellowtail anglers in the cape these days would not know what to do if a 25lb fish picked them up, they have never seen a fish like that in their life, nevermind a 30lb plus fish or a 44lb'er. Times have changed. Said it many times here before, the most common fish catch from the wal in hermanus in the old days in catch records, was yellowtail, yellowfin, katonkel, elf, kabeljou and geelbek and it was not uncommon for an angler to catch a hundred large elf and a hundred large geelbek and cob, in one night.

We are a good example as to what will happen, as our fisheries are already collapsed and our ecosystems, breeding stocks and estuaries largely already destroyed, and the Chinese are industrially targeting the recrtment stocks of our pelagics. The fish will not dissapear, but the good fishing of the past will become a thing of the past. In some areas the local stocks are better than they have ever been due to proper management, so it can go either way.

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Any media that can highlight environmental concerns should be applauded.

In this case however, I thought it over simplistic, too emotional and lacking in peer reviewed scientific data. There was a noticeable lack of commentary from global experts and the editing was almost laughable in omissions.

There was also nothing of substance in terms of solutions.

If we cut to the chase, it is not education alone that will save the planet. The consumers of rhino horn, shark fins, pangolin etc are well educated - they just lack basic human empathy and no matter what "softer" methods are used, they will not change.

I would prefer to see a global environmental organisation managing our global resource. 1/ Sovereign zones should remain so and cannot be sold or bartered. 2/ EEZ's need to be policed with ASM's. 3/ If you can't harvest it in your waters, then you can't consume it.

There is so much that can be done if the political will (and a decent pair of brass ones) is there.

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Any media that can highlight environmental concerns should be applauded.

In this case however, I thought it over simplistic, too emotional and lacking in peer reviewed scientific data. There was a noticeable lack of commentary from global experts and the editing was almost laughable in omissions.

There was also nothing of substance in terms of solutions.

If we cut to the chase, it is not education alone that will save the planet. The consumers of rhino horn, shark fins, pangolin etc are well educated - they just lack basic human empathy and no matter what "softer" methods are used, they will not change.

I would prefer to see a global environmental organisation managing our global resource. 1/ Sovereign zones should remain so and cannot be sold or bartered. 2/ EEZ's need to be policed with ASM's. 3/ If you can't harvest it in your waters, then you can't consume it.

There is so much that can be done if the political will (and a decent pair of brass ones) is there.


Spot on

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I think this sums up todays "leaders"

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I did not even finish it. I think it could have achieved a lot. In my opinion it lacked so much in credibility, especially by basing a lot of info on what seashephard says...

I honestly think it did more harm than good, especially since it is being hammered by experts on the "our" side of the fence.

It had the same effect on a grander scale for me as someone that jumps up and down about the chinese trawlers emptying South African coastline when a picture of a guy with 10 white steenbras is posted.

I have no doubt it is happening somewhere... to blame all collapse on it? When the plastic pollution was suddenly replaced by commercial fishing? Look at the recent post about Zandvlei.... Not all the chinese fishing vessels in all the world has anything to do with that...

The way plastic pollution was suddenly put in the back almost made me think Coca Cola could have a hand in this pie somewhere....

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Good to hear from you again Walt. Also to add further context the film makers are vegans who dont approve of any seafood consumption.

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Hi,I have motivation for putting this post up as Im concerned about fellow anglers:

GOOD Fishing Memoirs/Memories I have:

HOUT BAY HARBOUR WALL:Catching Beeeeeg Horse Mackerel in Hout Bay OFF THE WALL,2 at a time,the mackerel was even biting on bare silver hooks!!

I was 8 yrs old,what a freaking life,I grew bigger arm muscles than my Dad just catching fish,Thanks to my Dad.

I truly feel for the youngsters of today,you have lost out.


Down South:
Catching Beeeeeg Yellowtail off Bull Nose, Simonstown incl huge Elf & big horsemackerel,which we used as livies to catch the Tail.

Spinning off Bullnose,Simonsown,catching Elf, Maasbanker ...Gurnards,skate in winter.Saw a big yellowtail caught at Bullnose,only to realize it was a Massive Monster Horse Mackerel.

I casted my live Mackie from Rod & Penn 500 out one day at Bullnose,put ratchet on,put rod down & while I took one step away,my penn 500 which was full of line emptied in a few seconds.When I picked it up,there was nothing there. Presume it was a Tuna in full flight.Who knows?Whatever, Pure Adrenalin


The mackerel used to also make an appearance at the Black Jetty,Simonstown which is now the Submarine Base and at night they were so plentiful the shoals were so big that they would push mackerel rolling onto the outskirt shores as the shore angle declined,before they would rolling back in.Everything was silver with fish,lights shining on them.

When we fished for chokka in evenings off the naval walls,S'Town,we utilised a a piece of cane about 7inches long with a treble hook in front cottoned down to the stick in front,while at back of stick another hook would be cottoned down to tie your line onto.

Then you would wrap a slice of chokka bait around cane stick.Bottom line,We never had to buy chokka lures & worry about what colour we needed.Chokka were plentiful,Bonus was that we even caught Snoek from shore with this methodology at nights.



Cape Town Docks,The Breakwater: We landed Stockfish(Hake); Gurnards;Kingklip;Huge Skate.My Dad caught a Cob at Breakwater so big that when he hung it from a door,the tail hung on the floor.

A league angler pitched up at Breakwater 5 minutes before entrance closing time of acceptance,and he was so sozzled,no one went near him,everyone moved further away.

His first cast was over everyones line,lol.He hooks a monster,and everyones line is tangled with his.

Half hour later,he's almost pulled in,sweating off the Old Brown Sherry,hurling.

Guess what?...he lands a skate almost as wide as the breakwater & wins the COMP,babelas & all,lol.


Milnerton Lagoon: We caught massive Leerfish with Livies,hard to believe now if you walk along that bridge now.

Knysna Lagoon:
I walk onto old jetty with massive Steenbras,Massive Leerfish,etc,just laying about,having been caught.

Pure Viskoers,fishing fever grabbed me,heartbeat dadoof dadoof,heart racing,lol..

So,I have a throw or 2 before something big nails my bait.

While Im fighting this fish,backwards & forwards,I actually feel something bigger swallow my fish & I didn't have a chance,broke my line,almost my rod as well.


I'll leave it to your imagination as I was fishing with a 13ft rod,the best at the time.

So,in closing,WTF happened?Ive fished many places from a young age for 60 yrs,with a break in between for my childrens education.

So,I see this movie,Seaspiracy ,& whatever anyone says about movie,Something tells me,something has gone terribly off tangent.

GREED has taken over,ruining most of our Fishing.

Whether the movie is boring,incorrect,etc,there was a reason for it being released,whether it was fabricated,who knows.

But everyone needs to see the tip of the iceberg, fishing is not what it once was,and even if movie gets slammed,fishing is not as lucrative as it once was.

Open your eyes,watch the movie.The movie is only the tip of whats to follow which we will never know.

I care about angling,anglers,fish species,etc,so I feel zilch for those who want to knock this movie,as it may just be the catalyst required to save our fish.

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Sea Shepherd? Vegans? That's a straight "no thanks" from me.

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Fish stocks have decreased we know that. I am just not sure its going to be resolved by activists with ulterior agendas

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Hi, Walt, what year would those have been?? lekker stories

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Limpopoking wrote:
I watched it a few night back... It really sums up our trajectory as a species and how we are failing the sustainability test. I came away from it thing to myself "thank heavens I'm already old"... But I feel for all the coming generations.

To me though, the elephant (or whale) in the room that was not mentioned, is our global population. Humans need to stop breeding... It's as simple as that.

Thanks for adding the post Walt.
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Hi, Walt, what year would those have been?? lekker stories
Hiya,apologies for late reply.

''What year?'''

Sixties
Seventies
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Ninetys
& Naughtys;)

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I came across this in my news feed this morning. It's a harsh crit of the doccie, and I think, more or less rightly so. At the same time, Seaspiracy is serving a purpose, sadly through disingenous journalistic ethics. The purpose though should be for every human on earth to be more considerate of the environment.

It's well worth the read.

https://mg.co.za/opinion/2021-06-12-screen-grab-deeply-shallow/

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