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 Posted: Fri Aug 13th, 2021 09:25 am
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Good day everyone,

we are a research team with Rhodes University working with WIOMSA (https://www.wiomsa.org) on a project which aims to evaluate the importance of skipjack and kawakawa tuna in the South African fishery. This project falls under the umbrella of a much larger project investigating tuna in the Western Indian Ocean Region - but we are specifically focussed on these two small tuna species in South Africa.

We are distributing a a short online survey for anglers in South Africa who catch or target tuna. The focus of the survey is to evaluate the importance of these species in the South African fishery to inform future conservation and management of these species which are of growing importance to anglers around Southern Africa and the rest of the world.

If you are a tuna angler, or regularly catch tuna while targeting other gamefish, please consider taking 15 minutes to fill in the following online survey: https://forms.gle/tRiLzZsDA7GhZDbGA

If you have any queries or questions, please feel free to PM us here or email us on satunaresearch@gmail.com.

Any responses we get will be very helpful!

Thank you

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Skipjack tuna is not katunkel, katonkel is sarda sarda, or sometimes sarda orientalis, which in eastern cape can all shoal together occasionally and also shoal with kawakawa and skipjack, caught all 4 of them in a shoal together..although the sarda way more inshore than the skipjack generally. ;)
edit:Just took the survey, searched for katunkel too, seems it is apparently a term for oceanic bonito in SA, I don't know so much though, never read it in an old book where the terms were given (katonkel in the old days used to refer to sarda sarda and couta aka king mackeral too), In bidens sea angling of the cape he refers to the katonkels being the small tuna and couta, i'll have a look again and I think those pages of the book may be posted up here on Sealine. I've never heard of the term being used by fishermen, and speculating here but the linguistics of the word are not afrikaans at all but sound like an anglicisation of the general afrikaans term for bonito that normally refers to sarda sarda. But I may be wrong.

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Hi Dr.,

thanks so much for taking the survey and thank you for the thoughtful response. The common name katunkel (used occasionally for skipjack) is used differently from katonkel which is used for Sarda sarda (and Sarda orientalis as you said). The common names for these smaller tuna species can get very confusing - as with most common names for fishes which can change drastically by region and language etc. To complicate it further - some anglers just call all small tuna "bonnies" :)

In the South African Line Fish Species Profiles (https://www.saambr.org.za/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Southern_African_Marine_Linefish_Species_Profiles.pdf - a very useful reference for fisheries information for different species) - Katunkel is listed as a common name for skipjack.

As for the exact origin of the name - we may never know!

Thanks again for taking the time to respond to the survey - we appreciate all the help!

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Yup read that..but think that name listing may just be a feedback loop from the original source, which really seems at a guess for me to be an anglicisation of the original afrikaans name for a "bonnie" or "couta" depending on where you were...I haven't looked at the old books yet..

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Hi Dr.,

fishbase (https://www.fishbase.de/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?ID=107&AT=Katunkel) lists the common name "katunkel" as Afrikaans vernacular according to this FAO reference:

Collette, B.B. and C.E. Nauen, 1983. FAO Species Catalogue. Vol. 2. Scombrids of the world. An annotated and illustrated catalogue of tunas, mackerels, bonitos and related species known to date. Rome: FAO. FAO Fish. Synop. 125(2):137 p.

Obviously the common names were probably in use long before 1983 and could have originated from anywhere - but perhaps it provides some insight into the history of the word.

Interestingly that FAO guide also lists "watermelon" as a common name used for skipjack in South Africa. Never heard that one before!

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I have read up now in Bidens's Book 1948 edition...The confusion relatively clear now to me. Katunkel, Katonkel etc.

Katonkel and katunkel are the same name,to quote Biden:
"The word 'katonkel' has been corrupted from what was known by the port elizabeth malays as 'katunker' or 'katonker' which originated from the original malay word 'kentangkai', a kind of sea fish. There can be little doubt that the name was first given at port elizabeth and that cape coloured fishermen were responsible for the corruption."
"For many years false bay fishermen wondered why the great, fighting full-grown katonkel did not come near the cape; and in turn the eastern province angler thought that the young of his favourite visited false bay only. Reasons for the general quandary were that one local name existed for tho different fishes: that very few anglers fished at both localities for any length of time: and that there was not suitable literature on cape fishes for anglers or the public generally. Indeed, in the respect of books, south africa is very much behind other countries. Also a popular misconception existed at the cape that the sarda sarda- the smaller of the katonkels- lost its colour stripes in the course of growth: but that idea is quite erroneous"

It is not an dutch/afrikaans origin word at all which surprises me. Must have been stoned when I read that bit and didn't remember the details!

Kentankai refers to a spanish mackerel, from ikan fish + těnggiri mackerel from what I can gather online, of which Biden acknowledges in saying the couta is:

"This is the original katonkel. It could not have been first discovered in false bay, otherwise a dutch name would be given to it. In the early days of port elizabeth the fish was a regular visitor to those waters, where the malays go into raptures about the fish's great strength and recount the breaking of thick lines. The original malays must have seen something in the fish which reminded them of a similarly strong and graceful fish in their native country."
pg146/147

Then..page 144 first page of katonkels the sarda sarda's world wide name is given as oceanic bonito, which is the world wide name for skipjack tuna, which is not even meantioned in the book at all, although there is a short chapter on bluefin and a few references to yellowfin and king albacore aka yellowfin, which was not an uncommon catch from the side back then?! So true offshore fishing was not yet explored in the cape when these fish were named and there was no fishery existing for skipjack at that time in the cape and no fishery targeting tuna species except the giant bluefin swimming off fish hoek LOL times have changed. So I think all later references to katonkel/katunkel being skipjack is just a feedback loop of the original mistake of someone referencing the more mackerel-like sarda sarda as being worldwide known oceanic bonito, which is more tuna like, instead of something like atlantic bonito which they probably meant and is the international name for sarda sarda (from sardinia- atlantic). Maybe no one picked up on that back between then and now, writing a document on oceanic bonito and never read the reference to sarda sarda and repeated it, and its been repeated enough times to be semi fact LOL..

Looking online more..

https://dsae.co.za/entry/katonkel/e03707

All sorts of confusion in past records in the references there..But the sarda sarda is very mackerel like in form, more so than a skippie, I'd take my guess that skippies have never actually been referred to as katunkels, though they all related hahaha and I may be wrong..But it was interesting reading for me. Wow what a rabbit hole that was!

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Very interesting - thanks Dr.!

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Slight hijack on the bastardisation of the nomenclature. My wife is Indonesian, as were the original Cape Malays. She says they call both the kawakawa and skipjack "tongkol" and make no distinction between species for eating.
The common name in Indonesia is "ikantongkol", ikan means fish and tongkol is the type/species.
Easy to see how we got the name, it does sound similar.
Fish trivia is indeed fascinating!!

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Thanks again to everyone for the responses! If anyone has not yet taken the survey - please consider spending a short time to help with this research. Thank you!

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Well if shell blasts those air cannons off the east coast the tuna will move far offshore to the otherside of the current I am guessing like the last time they blasted to find the Brulpadda deposit..Then the squid disappeared for about 3 months after, no tuna in numbers were caught by the eastern cape inshore recreationals for a year or two, and we had the worst redtides and jellyfish blooms that the old timers could remember..I think the Namibian tuna fishery came off worse when they blasted offshore there, tuna moved too far offshore for a few years to target..will be interesting to see what the transkei fishermen report in surveys in a year or two.. anyway sorry throwing in my 2c.

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