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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 01:14 pm
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Daisy
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Best Catch: cob 27 kg Stilbaai,4,8kg Elf Langebaan
Favorite Fishing Spot: Langebaan
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The Lagoon is very special and has lots of fish ,so we all must treat this area with great respect.Many have success from the shore,but most fish are caught from boats and I must confess that my experience is not so good in terms of shore angling.Nevertheless what follows might assist the true fisherman that enjoys this wonderful place.

TYPE OF EQUIPMENT

*From the shore use a galjoen rod with a light tip.Reel of choice.Rocks might be crowded and from the beach a wader will be more comfortable.Have a bait bag that clips on to the belt.

*From boats,use a slightly longer than the normal boat rod.Something like a 7 ft "Estuary Pro "is ideal and cheap.Two types of fixed spool reels that work well are the Daiwa BG series and the Penn Captiva.Shimano might be brilliant,but the more expensive ones compare well with the above.Never use a fixed spool reel with a rear drag,this has been designed mainly for fresh water.

TACKLE

*A good line is Kingfisher IGFA Tournament 10 kg,needs to be exactly 10kg and no decimal point.

*For White Stump use a fresh water hook with the eye that has a Z bend inwards,much sharper.Circle hook work well especially when the bite is "skelm" but it takes the fun of the strike away.Size 1,0 to 2,0 is good.Use a sliding sinker,then the swivel,then a trace of 750 mm.From the shore rig as for galjoen and a tri-swivel might be best.

*For Elf you need a steel trace,but a short one so that it does not protrude from the bait as it just might be that there is a Kob around as well.If the steel is too long,then cover it with a strip of chokka that is well beaten and some tentacles cut at the bottom.The steel trace should have a swivel which can be opened to unclip the hook.Very light sliding sinker,the swivel then 500mm trace then steel trace.As the lagoon is shallow,a float might not be required.From the shore make the trace as long as possible and still  be able to cast it.

*Kob and Geelbek certainly must have a sliding sinker that is light.If it feels any drag ,it will spit the bait out.No steel trace,if the Kob feels steel,it will spit it out and remember they feed not by sight so once the feel it,it`s over.Trace should be about 750mm and hook size 6,0.When the current is strong,then fit a more heavy sinker,but ensure that it can slide freely.

*For Steenbra you need a heavy sinker that can keep the bait at the bottom.The trace must be short,no longer than 300mm as to keep the bait at the bottom.

*Yellowtail feed in mid-water and as the lagoon is on average only 5 meter deep,a very light sliding sinker will be required.Fishing without a sinker is even better and let the line run out as far as possible away from any activety.

*The line lenght for Stump and Kob can be fairly short,say 150 meter,but for Yellowtail and Steenbra,you would need a long line,at least 250 meter.

NOTE Once an edible has been hooked,it will come close to the surface,while a shark will dive.That`s how you can tell what has taken your bait.

FIXING BAIT

*Fish like long bait.So do not cut the pilchard in small pieces,rather fillet it.Never throw the head to the seagulls,but sqeeze it over the bait as it has lots of oil.It is also difficult to chum in the lagoon as the current is strong,so use a net filled with chum tied to a fixure.

*The fish in the lagoon are more under stress as the lagoon is shallow.They come into the lagoon to feed on the rich availability of food.Therfor don`t waste money on expensive Pike(Yes I know it works),rather use fresh pilchard or harders or a strip of a steentjie,the fish identify with this.Don`t use a fillet of White Stump,not enough oil.Also use red bait from the lagoon,somehow it works better.Rather fresh.The lagoon has plenty white mussel,but difficult to obtain,so get them elswhere.Black mussel is brilliant close to Spreeuwalle and there one can chum a lot as the current is not strong there.Bottom line ,use bait from this area which the fish knows.

*There are two types of prawn.The firmer and bigger mud prawn and the flaccid sand prawn with the pink tail.Both have advantages.The mud prawn stays longer on the hook,but for some reason the fish has a preferance for the sandprawn(I think).Never use a prawn with eggs,you are not allowed to and the fish don`t like it anyway.

The part of the bait the fish likes:Yellowtail takes the head of the pilchard,Kob the belly and Elf the tail.Stumps prefer the head of the prawn,so don`t return your bait if the head has been bitten off.All fish like white mussel and prefer the guts to the tongue.So when fixing it to the hook,only tie the tongue part with cotton and let the guts hang loose.When using pilchard,use the whole one.Pentetrate the mouth with a steel needle exit close to the tail,clip the hook then on to the line and pull back leaving the hook flipped around the tail,but still proud.It is best to also use a sliding hook above on the trace which should be hooked through the upperlip(never through the eyes).Don`t hook the bottom lip as well as it must look to the predator that the fish bait is breathing and it must look natural.Do not tie down with cotton and do not put the pilchard upside down..tail must be at the bottom.When a fillet of fish is used,then make the fillet as long as possible zig zagging the hook through it and only tie the top part with cotton..note change bait as often as possible.

Chokka will certainly attract sharks before the edibles can come to it.So if it`s eadibles you target,then mix the chokka with pilchard as described above,being in front of the pilchard.Also if it`s eadibles you want,then do not use avchovie oil as this will attract sharks. 

Blood worm is a miricle bait for all fish,but some days it just does not work.Then prawns stinged behind each other works better.When using prawns,try to keep it alive by not protruding it with the hook.Practise a bit to tie it with cotton around the hook and never a ball of prawn,rather one behind each other.

Live bait does not work as the current is too strong and it gets killed  and tangles your line.Artificial bait does not work for the average fisherman,also not spoons.These require special knowledge and experts can do it maybe.

WHERE TO FISH

Fish prefer reefs and gullies and the lagoon does not have much of these.There are lots of watersports and noise on the lagoon and the fish then need to hide.Also at night time,keep lights away from the water,many make this mistake.So the fish stays close to sandbanks which have a steep fall into deeper water.Make a study of this before you cast.There is thus no point to cast into the middle of a channel and in any case this is where seawead will get stuck to the bait as the water flows faster there.One tiny piece of seawead to your bait will make the bait useless.

Some variables:White Stump prefer clear water.Kob like gingerbeer water.Elf like foam on the water and water must be fairly calm,while Kob and geelbek likes choppy water.Water that has the South /East on it.

WHEN TO FISH

The best time is at least an hour before low tide for Kob,geelbek and Yellowtail.Stumps on the other hand prefers incoming tide.Stumps like clear water and feed by sight.Normally Elf will feed first and the when the tide turns Kob will feed.When a coldfront is approaching,the fish will go off the bite,not like they do in the sea.So a North/Westerly wind is not prefered.Elf will feed day and night,but during the night there will only be a short burst of feeding then it`s all over.Kob feed just before sunrise and just after sunset.Now with this in mind you have to work the tide in as another variable as explained above.

White stump moves around all the time and altough in the ocean the are night feeders,in the lagoon it is the opposite.Because the move all the time,best results from a boat is to drift and from the shore close to sandbanks where the water is clear.In all cases the water temperature must be above 14 deg and maybe not higher than 20 deg.

The time of the year is important.Stumps from August to May with the best sizes March/April.Kob can be found in winter,but the best time is December to May.For Elf the season opens 1 December and the big fish can be expected March to May.Steenbras never leave the rich prawn area that the lagoon offers.Yellow tail will be on the bite from February to May.

WHEN THE FISH BITES

*A shark will take the bait and dive and will not come loose.So if you have a big pull and it came loose,then it is unlikely that it was a shark.

*Elf will just grab the bait and try to run..now you have to reel it in fast,but the moment there is a slack in the line,it might come loose and Elf knows that I think ,that`s why it is doing a tail walk to get a slack in the line.

*Once a Kob takes the bait,there will be a tiny pull.Now wait 10 secondes while it is cleaning the bait and the strike.So often we strike too early and loose the fish.

*White Stump,feeding on sight,will watch the bait for several minutes before grabbing it.Sometimes it helps to move the bait slightly.With White stump on light tackle and also Kob,let it run and when it turns,then lift the rod high using the tip of the rod to do the work.Slowly and gently reel it in.When the Steenbra take the line,then pray you have enough line on your reel..that`s all you can do,same with yellowtail and beware when you think it`s finish ,the run will start all over again.

The strike is very important.Must be firm and hard,not fast and strong.Get this action imprinted in your mind so that you do not do it wrong because of the excitement.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 01:33 pm
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Marthin
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Great Daisy....

I always felt a whole pilchard on the hook is a whole pilchard on the hook till i went out on the water with you,

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 01:34 pm
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shawnm
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Exellent Daisy,I am sure we can all learn and put into practice the fruits you taught us today:

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 01:50 pm
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woerman
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Thanks Uncle Daisy

This is one of the best tutorials I've seen on Sealine.

Mana to you

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 01:51 pm
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Thanks Oom, I will definitely save this on my computer for future reference!

Oom Daisy & ::slr::

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 02:26 pm
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Daisy, it's a huge pity I didn't meet you when I was a youngster, cos then I woulda been a REAL fisherman by now! Gr8 post and man, I've got the summer feeling!!::S

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 02:31 pm
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Yet another quality post!

Thanks Oom!

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 02:31 pm
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Thanks a ton Daisy, never to old to learn, keep the topic open, mana to you Anton.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 03:23 pm
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That was now an awesome read,and even I have now got a better look on things at the DAISY SE BAAN...,Oom I will be calling you as soon as I get home.Mana to you for your effort in this...

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 03:23 pm
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:clap12:clap12:clap12:clap12:clap12,thats fantastic::respekt:::respekt:::respekt:::respekt: to you Oom Daisy.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 03:32 pm
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manna to you oom daisy

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 03:55 pm
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Appreciate all the thank you,also the mana,altough I don`t think the mana is working anymore,had my staus since I joined,but that`s no big deal,as long as there is benifit getting the new comers and youngsters interested in a hobby/sport which is the most practiced throughout the whole wide world.Thanks guys.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 03:57 pm
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Daisy wrote:
Appreciate all the thank you,also the mana,altough I don`t think the mana is working anymore,had my staus since I joined,but that`s no big deal,as long as there is benifit getting the new comers and youngsters interested in a hobby/sport which is the most practiced throughout the whole wide world.Thanks guys.
THANK YOU Oom Daisy for sharing your knowledge.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 06:07 pm
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Thanks oom! great help!

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 06:27 pm
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Hi there

THANKS Oom Daisy. I have been waiting and checking the site whole winter to see your name come up or anything to do with Langebaan.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. Hope we have a great summer.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 06:32 pm
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Very good. Nice tips. Thanks for your time Daisy

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 06:35 pm
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Thanks for all that info. Just bought myself a 14ft ski craft and want to wet the hull at langebaan this weekend. Last time I fished on your waters was when the big bunny was still running around. Met your in-law and the other skipper who (hit a whale) at Gerald’s place day after the incident. I live around the corner from Gerald. Next time they visit you I had better tag along i can (try)to get some info on those secret spots.

Thanks again for all the great reading

:fbash

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 06:49 pm
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Koper
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Hi Oom Daisy,

:thankieThanx a lot, and mana for you as well, but I really don't think this is gonna keep me of your boat coming December, I'm still looking forward to learn from the best - first hand!!!!!!!!!

::S::S::S::S::S

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 Posted: Tue Jul 28th, 2009 06:54 pm
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My oom ,jou skryfstyl is so lekker rustig,  van jou sal ek n hele visvang-bundel boeke koop, al is daar nie eers prentjies in nie. Doet so voort.

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Gotta love this reply:

Daisy wrote:
Appreciate all the thank you,also the mana,altough I don`t think the mana is working anymore,had my staus since I joined,but that`s no big deal,as long as there is benifit getting the new comers and youngsters interested in a hobby/sport which is the most practiced throughout the whole wide world.Thanks guys.

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