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Hi Gents

SASAA held their annual AGM over the past weekend 25/26.  The issue of the use of sliders was on the agenda and it has been voted on with the decision being that it is a method of angling and WILL REMAIN as an option at National competitions.  Therefore sliders are IN.

Each league however, reserves the right to make it permissible/not permissible in their domestic leagues.

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Not good but we need to exept it. I Will have to take out the heavy tackle again.

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If they banned sliding it would be the same as banning the use of a Trinidad 30dc - purely cos you cant overwind with it (exactly that doesnt make sense!) If there's something that gives the angler an advantage in certain situations then use it. Im assuming the SASAA big wigs feel the same. Im not a club angler so it doesnt affect me therefore my opinion doesnt count for much but anyway there you have it :)

Last edited on Wed Jul 29th, 2009 09:17 am by aquadementia

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Hi Karma

Will we measure sandies in WP this year now that it will be so in nationals ?

Rgds

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we are measuring sandies in East London this year 86cm is qualifying length. as for sliding well let the debate begin.

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KLIPVIS wrote: Hi Karma

Will we measure sandies in WP this year now that it will be so in nationals ?

Rgds


Hey K

Our rules have not changed.  We require a special AGM to review and rescind the decision taken at our own AGM.  The rules governing the individual leagues are determined by the league itself.  In some cases some provinces will not allow the use of sliders in their domestic leagues whereas we have a mixed bag in our own.

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I like the idea of the mixed bag system it will force the angler to hone all disciplines.

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aquadementia wrote: If they banned sliding it would be the same as banning the use of a Trinidad 30dc - purely cos you cant overwind with it (exactly that doesnt make sense!) If there's something that gives the angler an advantage in certain situations then use it. Im assuming the SASAA big wigs feel the same. Im not a club angler so it doesnt affect me therefore my opinion doesnt count for much but anyway there you have it :)

ad,

Always nice to hear comments from non club anglers - everyone opinion counts and should be heard.

The problem is that a line has to be drawn somewhere - there are loads of rules that need scrutiny. Should a bait boat be allowed because we keeping up with technology?

The problem which most Unions find by allowing slides is that sliding "levels" the playing field in that a novice can throw a sinker - clip a chunk of bait - slide and hook into big fish. Yes skill is required to land that big fish from the rocks but off beaches there is little skill required. Some of these guys who now get results because of sliding only are placed higher in the rankings and then make the Provincial teams.

The next problem is that it is not always possible to fish for big fish and "scratching" is needed - can the slide angler read the water and can he scratch?

The next problem you have is in the selection and the use of the correct trace for the target species - how many variations of a slide trace can you get - not very many!

The next problem you have is certain areas call for "big" (and I am talking about massive baits) throw baits - the guys who achieved the results on slides are sometimes unable to make a big bait which is aerodynamic to cast never mind cast it 80-100m.

I would say that the slide definitely allows opportunity to catch bigger fish and I hear both sides of the story. In my opinion the only way for each Union to eliminate these type of problems is to either limit sliding to certain tournaments (areas where it is necessary) or to have the results recorded if fish was caught on a slide or a throw bait - for the selectors to see if angler only uses slides or if he does and can throw baits.

I do believe that sliding has done a lot for angling by giving novice anglers an opportunity to catch massive fish - where it would not have been possible if he was unable to throw a big bait. I do also believe that sliding has taken away the skill of making aerodynamic baits, various traces and thier uses for those novice anglers.
I personally enjoy sliding but I also enjoy making and throwing big baits - certain conditions call for certain ways / styles and being able to apply the use of both is what is important.

If I were purely a social angler I would most likely slide 90% of the time - easy and gives an opportunity to hook into the bigger fish.

 

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I wud have to agree with Misguide !!!

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misguide wrote: aquadementia wrote: If they banned sliding it would be the same as banning the use of a Trinidad 30dc - purely cos you cant overwind with it (exactly that doesnt make sense!) If there's something that gives the angler an advantage in certain situations then use it. Im assuming the SASAA big wigs feel the same. Im not a club angler so it doesnt affect me therefore my opinion doesnt count for much but anyway there you have it :)

ad,

Always nice to hear comments from non club anglers - everyone opinion counts and should be heard.

The problem is that a line has to be drawn somewhere - there are loads of rules that need scrutiny. Should a bait boat be allowed because we keeping up with technology?

The problem which most Unions find by allowing slides is that sliding "levels" the playing field in that a novice can throw a sinker - clip a chunk of bait - slide and hook into big fish. Yes skill is required to land that big fish from the rocks but off beaches there is little skill required. Some of these guys who now get results because of sliding only are placed higher in the rankings and then make the Provincial teams.

The next problem is that it is not always possible to fish for big fish and "scratching" is needed - can the slide angler read the water and can he scratch?

The next problem you have is in the selection and the use of the correct trace for the target species - how many variations of a slide trace can you get - not very many!

The next problem you have is certain areas call for "big" (and I am talking about massive baits) throw baits - the guys who achieved the results on slides are sometimes unable to make a big bait which is aerodynamic to cast never mind cast it 80-100m.

I would say that the slide definitely allows opportunity to catch bigger fish and I hear both sides of the story. In my opinion the only way for each Union to eliminate these type of problems is to either limit sliding to certain tournaments (areas where it is necessary) or to have the results recorded if fish was caught on a slide or a throw bait - for the selectors to see if angler only uses slides or if he does and can throw baits.

I do believe that sliding has done a lot for angling by giving novice anglers an opportunity to catch massive fish - where it would not have been possible if he was unable to throw a big bait. I do also believe that sliding has taken away the skill of making aerodynamic baits, various traces and thier uses for those novice anglers.
I personally enjoy sliding but I also enjoy making and throwing big baits - certain conditions call for certain ways / styles and being able to apply the use of both is what is important.

If I were purely a social angler I would most likely slide 90% of the time - easy and gives an opportunity to hook into the bigger fish.

 

Spot on i agree with you 100%

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Bait boats bait boats ::S

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Stroker wrote: Bait boats bait boats ::S
then Habib can also join in......

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Only found this thread again now. I agree misguide that makes perfect sense. If they're so worried about the quality of their younger anglers then they should monitor the sliding as was suggested, but banning it outright i dont agree with. Hahaha bait boats lol! They can dice their bait boats if the fishing is slow and then award points to the winner!

Last edited on Fri Jul 31st, 2009 07:41 am by aquadementia

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Sliding has made a huge impact upon the shore angling fraternity, and as always anything new will create a lot of reactions. There is a lot to be said for and against the sliding technique, and this will probably be a controversial topic for a long time to come.

My personal opinion is that sliding has opened a whole new aspect of angling for both the recreational and competitive angler, and although it does provide any angler with some definite advantages, I do not feel that it is giving an inexperienced angler an “unfair” advantage, or that it will completely level the field in competitive circles.

The art of sliding is just that…an art, and it is definitely not as straight forward and easy to use effectively all of the time. Sure, most anglers can cast out a heavy grapnel, slap some bait on a slide trace and slide it down the line towards the deep, and sure a lot of these anglers will pick up one or two good fish, but as with all forms of angling, not every-one will be able to achieve constant good results with this technique, and experience and knowledge will still come out tops!

Sliding is a much more tedious process than fishing cast baits. You cast out, set the sinker, prepare your bait, clip it on the line, and then start shaking your bait down to the stopper ring. In the time it takes to complete this process, an angler capable of putting in a decent cast with heavy bait would have had his bait in the water for about 10 minutes before the slide bait reaches the target area. Thus, the guy skilful with cast baits will have his bait in the strike-zone for much a longer time.

Slide baits can also not be used at all times and under all conditions, and somebody that is only capable of fishing slide baits effectively will definitely not move up the competitive ranks too fast, as some areas and conditions will require a magnitude of other skills from the competitive angler.

Like with all angling, it is knowledge that gives the real advantage and “luck” in the end. Casting an 8 ounce grapnel out 170m and sliding out big bait that took an hour to prepare onto a marine “desert” is not going to yield many results. Like any other form of angling, just walking down to the closest spot on the beach and casting out as far as possible will more often than not send you back home with a “mombakkies”. One of the most common problems that inexperienced slide anglers (me included) experience is burn offs due to the slide not getting to the stopper for various reasons. It takes a lot of time and effort to learn the finer bits of negotiating side-wash, sending your bait out between sets of waves, using rips and undertow to your advantage and etc. etc.  

I really think that the sliding technique should be seen as a new flavour to spice up the R&S angling scene rather than a technique that will level the playing field or provide an unfair advantage to some. It may result in some more catches, and maybe more hook-ups with really big fish, but it is a technique that is available to all, but is only really mastered by a few. It is the experienced angler that can successfully work this technique into his repertoire that will be coming out tops 99% of the time!

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That is so well.Hit the nail on the head.I asked one of the more experienced guys in our league what he has caught om slide.Note this is also a person looking down om sliding.Response= no catches.

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It is still a skill and rightly said by the Guys above no use sliding into the dessert.Sliding gives us a chance to catch that fish of a life time more often.Some Guys tend to think you slide a bait and vas , WTF some good anglers blank a whole season by using sliders.The clubs/provinces should make sure their anglers can fish for anything anytime.

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the biggest advantage i found about sliding is the distance you can get you bait in on a windy day..to try cast a bait in on a windy day hampers your distance hugely..so to ban it sjo ..that will not be cool...and as camo said top anglers have gone a hole season sliding without one catch..so at the end of the day shouldnt it be left to the choice of the angler..??

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I have found that on some occassions the slide actually hampers your performance for instance last year fishing on scottburgh point I had probably 4 or 5 good pulls in about 3 hours fishing throwing mac heads and cutlets every other guy on that point was sliding baits with no results. Many guys commented on how many pulls I got jokes were made about where did I put my fingers last night but not one person changed to a throw bait.Basically what I am trying to say is that to many of us get caught up in only sliding the really top anglers will be the ones who can step back assess the conditions and what is happening at that location and ADJUST! Whether its changing from a slide to a throw or vice versa the really talented anglers will still develope the skills