Does anyone have more info

MAN VAN SEE

New member
hey guys! have  been following the macs issue now for a while and have come up with the solution " OPPORTUNITY" i call it .Ek kry vir my perde en jy stop met jou bakkie in die parking ,enige kant maak nie saak nie en jy huur n perd vir die dag ....miskien bring ek kamela in later as die besighied lekker loop ::S
 

KLIPVIS

Sealiner
Dit sal n bitterste ding wees , manne ons moet saam staan teen die ding en klaar , ek weet nie of julle nie maar ek ry nie n quade bike nie , so ek is nie skuldig nie ! dit is n swak verskoning ! Henning sien jy is lus vir twak praat ? jy ry eerste macs toe op n naweek ! Kom boys ons moet hulle try stop , maar kom ons kry eers die feite , want die ding het al baie kop uit gesteek.
 
KLIPVIS wrote:
Dit sal n bitterste ding wees , manne ons moet saam staan teen die ding en klaar , ek weet nie of julle nie maar ek ry nie n quade bike nie , so ek is nie skuldig nie ! dit is n swak verskoning ! Henning sien jy is lus vir twak praat ? jy ry eerste macs toe op n naweek ! Kom boys ons moet hulle try stop , maar kom ons kry eers die feite , want die ding het al baie kop uit gesteek.

::S lol.......

 

nee verseker. enige iemand wat my ken sal weet..... krap ma net.....

::S
 

Sandmann

New member
I think we should make sure that the pictures are indeed removed. We do not want to be like News24 and get the wrong people in trouble for doing very important training.
NSRI have, and will always be there for any angler, fisherman or spearo in trouble, regardless of where you might be.
Let us not get them into trouble for something they need to do in a place they are allowed to do it.
 

subaruseun

Sealiner
sandman...

they access the dunes for rescue purposes...why remove it??? ( its been cleared by MO, they have permits to do this)

this cant get them into trouble? or am i missing the point
 

subaruseun

Sealiner
Spearo Mo wrote:
subaruseun wrote:
i say nail the culprits... the culprits

dune rescue?
Very interesting picture...

You are right in that being a sea rescue quadbike with a sea rescue crewperson on it.

Your location however is somewhat very far off the mark.  The dunes that are being used for training is in fact right next to and behind the rescue base.

In order for any of our crew to use this particular rescue asset, he needs to be properly schooled in its uses, capabilities and also its limitations, hence the use of this particular rescue asset in the dunes.

Anybody that fishes that stretch of beach will be familiar with the terrain that we as Station 16, Strandfontein have to cover in order to effect rescues.  You will also be familiar with what that stretch of coast looks like over our busiest period and will therefore also understand why it is faster to ride through the dunes to get to a scene than to try and navigate through a crowded beach.

Please do not post pictures and not state where they were taken as this casts  our rescue crew, the base, and the greater sea rescue fraternity in a light that makes us appear to not know what we are doing and that we are ecologically insensitive.

Even though we have an exemption from the beach driving ban as a rescue body, we do not encourage beach driving simply "because we can".

I would appreciate you removing these pictures as they are not in any way part of your argument, and should anybody wish to discuss it further, please do feel free to contact me.

Regards

Mario Fredericks (Spearo Mo)
Station Commander
Station 16, Strandfontein
National Sea Rescue Institute
082 990 6753

MO.

you have to understand that thanks to a few, everyone else will now have to walk... nothing wrong with walking but security of your vehicle is an issue.



i did not say that it was in any particular area.

thanks for clearing up the location

what is clear is that QUAD bikes are as responsible for the devastation of the dunes as is many NON angling 4x4's. one of the reasons for closing access roads to macs... That said it is still uncertain as to whether the access road is closed after a few calls to the city of cape town.

THE images of the NSRI quad bike pics were circulated on angling chats groups... its definitely PART of dune destruction or i would not post it... it clearly falls within the context of this discussion. thanks for clearing up that it was training...


dont get me wrong i support THE NSRI.
 

Sandmann

New member
They are reliant on public funding and very little to no government funding. any "associations" with a problem can create an image that can cause them loss of valuable funding. if someone only reads the first two pages of posts, and not Spearo Mo's input they will be left to believe that NSRI was part of the problem.
 

Spearo Mo

New member
I understand your argument and believe me, I do support it...

The NSRI brand name is very close to the heart of every volunteer as it's a cause that we believe in.  People want to be associated with that brand as they share our vision and passion.

However, as a body that relies heavily on public funding for our survival, when pictures like these are taken out of context, it directly affects our sponsorship.  I am sure that you can understand this...

As a responsible user of the sea, it urks me no end when people flout the very laws that are in place to protect the very environment that we enjoy all in the name of preserving it for the use of future generations...

As with everything in life, this is a process of education...

Stywe lyne!

Mo
 

Def-e-nition

Sealiner
we had a guy on a Game Quad , come puttering along , Past us , at 2 De baai . I'm sure it Was before Lines up so wikus Will confirm This .

And i Thought : gee , dis lekker .

Only way to close up Macs Would be to construct a Massive ditch From a fence , down to The Water's edge , and a fence .

We then fished there Saturday and it was Open ? Frankly I Wouldn't want to close macs to support Anglers Walking down to go Fish . It'd be Like Shooting Ducks .
I'd do so , to prevent the dunes from being carriad wea

If i have to walk so Far to Wet a Line , Would Make me very cautious about where I Plan to fooch .
 

subaruseun

Sealiner
Spearo Mo wrote:
I understand your argument and believe me, I do support it...

The NSRI brand name is very close to the heart of every volunteer as it's a cause that we believe in.  People want to be associated with that brand as they share our vision and passion.

However, as a body that relies heavily on public funding for our survival, when pictures like these are taken out of context, it directly affects our sponsorship.  I am sure that you can understand this...

As a responsible user of the sea, it urks me no end when people flout the very laws that are in place to protect the very environment that we enjoy all in the name of preserving it for the use of future generations...

As with everything in life, this is a process of education...

Stywe lyne!

Mo


point taken pics removed
 

subaruseun

Sealiner
I spoke to a contact City of Cape Town MCM, who said that the policy for off-road vehicles has been in place for some time and the Macassar stretch is included. \

however he cannot state that the road is off limits as there exists no clear answer as to whether the road which exists/existed as access is still deemed as an access road

i was referred to the Task Group Coordinator for the Off-Roading


then

I spoke Task Group Coordinator for the Off-Roading Task Team.
i was referred back to the city of cape town.

Finally

i spoke to the colleague of the person who might have an answer:


broken road has been closed for repairs, access to fishing is permitted, the road was closed for safety.

monwabisi road has also been closed off with barricades, for safety as the road is eroding.

now i did not get an answer for macs, but i was promised to get a call as soon as the official returns to office. But based on the above it looks like the access to these areas prove to be dangerous hence the closure, hopefully we will have an answer tomorrow.



furthermore...

good news, the roads department is in the process of 'fixing' both brokens and monwabisi, but no clear answer as to when this will occur. i will further try and pursue these matters to get some form of answer in writing.
 

eviltoy

Senior Member
subaruseun wrote:
I spoke to a contact City of Cape Town MCM, who said that the policy for off-road vehicles has been in place for some time and the Macassar stretch is included.

however he cannot state that the road is off limits as there exists no clear answer as to whether the road which exists/existed as access is still deemed as an access road

i was referred to the Task Group Coordinator for the Off-Roading


then

I spoke Task Group Coordinator for the Off-Roading Task Team.
i was referred back to the city of cape town.

Finally

i spoke to the colleague of the person who might have an answer:


broken road has been closed for repairs, access to fishing is permitted, the road was closed for safety.

monwabisi road has also been closed off with barricades, for safety as the road is eroding.

now i did not get an answer for macs, but i was promised to get a call as soon as the official returns to office. But based on the above it looks like the access to these areas prove to be dangerous hence the closure, hopefully we will have an answer tomorrow.



furthermore...

good news, the roads department is in the process of 'fixing' both brokens and monwabisi, but no clear answer as to when this will occur. i will further try and pursue these matters to get some form of answer in writing.

Probably take a good while to get that fix as I heard the same thing about Broken Road strandfontein side a few years back
 

eviltoy

Senior Member
subaruseun wrote:
I spoke to a contact City of Cape Town MCM, who said that the policy for off-road vehicles has been in place for some time and the Macassar stretch is included.

however he cannot state that the road is off limits as there exists no clear answer as to whether the road which exists/existed as access is still deemed as an access road

i was referred to the Task Group Coordinator for the Off-Roading


then

I spoke Task Group Coordinator for the Off-Roading Task Team.
i was referred back to the city of cape town.

Finally

i spoke to the colleague of the person who might have an answer:


broken road has been closed for repairs, access to fishing is permitted, the road was closed for safety.

monwabisi road has also been closed off with barricades, for safety as the road is eroding.

now i did not get an answer for macs, but i was promised to get a call as soon as the official returns to office. But based on the above it looks like the access to these areas prove to be dangerous hence the closure, hopefully we will have an answer tomorrow.



furthermore...

good news, the roads department is in the process of 'fixing' both brokens and monwabisi, but no clear answer as to when this will occur. i will further try and pursue these matters to get some form of answer in writing.

Probably take a good while to get that fix as I heard the same thing about Broken Road strandfontein side a few years back
 

PatrickC

Senior Member
Thanks for clearing that up!

It has to be made known to the 'non-sealine public' So
untill they put up a sign or give some or other kind of official notice.... WE FISH((r(e(ling
 

subaruseun

Sealiner
PatrickC wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up!

It has to be made known to the 'non-sealine public' So
untill they put up a sign or give some or other kind of official notice.... WE FISH((r(e(ling


correct, is there any signage? as the road is currently deemed as an access road, i was told it needs to be clearly signposted, barricaded etc...

furthermore in our conversation, prosecution will be be difficult and probably dismissed as the road in question has been used for years... yet i would rather wait for an official answer.
 

Kosi Fisher

Senior Member
Here's another question that the City and/or MCM can hopefully answer.

Is the closure of Macassar beach going to be a blanket closure, ie absolutely no-one permitted, or are the "subsistence fishermen" (read: trekkers) going to be allowed use of the area?

With currently no official explanation as to why it is being closed off, this all smacks a little bit like corruption/nepotism/cronyism to me...
 

KLIPVIS

Sealiner
So far someone heard something so in my mind still a rumour , lets wait and see and then get excited , like I said before this rumour pops up every now and then.
 

subaruseun

Sealiner
Kosi Fisher wrote:
Here's another question that the City and/or MCM can hopefully answer.

Is the closure of Macassar beach going to be a blanket closure, ie absolutely no-one permitted, or are the "subsistence fishermen" (read: trekkers) going to be allowed use of the area?

With currently no official explanation as to why it is being closed off, this all smacks a little bit like corruption/nepotism/cronyism to me...

trekkers have a beach access permits and cannot be denied access, guess i will have to become a trekker...:raine

i am awaiting the response and will follow up tomorrow.

what was clear though is that beach/fishing access is not denied, this thread has to do with vehicular access...

no problem walking but provide suitable parking and security... i guess thats just a dream
 
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