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 Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2014 02:02 pm
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Agreed skuim.
Personally i started to float some baits when i started to pay more attention to just how a barbel looks. This tells us how it feeds, its mouth is not on the underside of the fish, so it does not only feed on the bottom. As with alot of the angling species of catfish they are predators first, scavengers second. So thy are designned to eat bait not only off the floor but infront of them in the water column.You will catch fish either way, but a floated bait for me any way just adds a dimention into my angling i was not covering before. The bait being 2m off the bottom is not a real issue. You will still get scent trails going off into the water. This i believe helps alot having bait suspended. If you look at fish behavior in relation to water temp and oxygen, they are not always on the bottom, they move with the thermocline. Based on the temp in the water will let you know where the highest oxygen band is in the water. Fish will hold here as they dont have to move around alot to breath. So having a bait suspended, for me anyway, will and can get scent faster to fish than on the bottom. On the bottom the scent has to travel alot further at times to reach mr whiskers, where as a suspended bait may be putting the bait and scent closer to where the fish are actually holding in the water. My 2 cents anway.

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 Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2014 02:04 pm
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Par tof the reason i suspend bait when i drift is this same reason. When i am drifting, i don't do enough of. I generally have 4 rods. 2 baits are at least 6ft off the ground, depending on water depth. and the other 2 are on the bottom. This allows me to cover a greater water profile when i see fish holding in mid water.

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 Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2014 02:29 pm
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Can fish guts and heads(choped up) also be used as a attractant?
Lots of fisheries gut and throw this away as its not wanted by the consumer. I am sure that the fishery will not mind filling a 5L container with scraps for me?

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 Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2014 03:22 pm
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ziyaadb wrote:
Can fish guts and heads(choped up) also be used as a attractant?
Lots of fisheries gut and throw this away as its not wanted by the consumer. I am sure that the fishery will not mind filling a 5L container with scraps for me?


Absolutely.

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 Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2014 04:47 pm
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In regards to drifting. One can use chum like tim showed us to put down and drift over it. Its very effective. Here at the vaal i try drift at about 0.6 of a kmph. Some times they like it faster sometimes slower. Not always easy to say. I also keep my baits no highter than 40cm off the bottom seems most of the fish are in the level on the vaal. I am gonna start using crank baits on this rog to see if yellows or monster bass may be interestd

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I have not really tried drifting in the river, but in dams (obviously with a boat) it is very productive. I can only attribute the success to the movement and vibration made. I have noticed that rigging the weight as Diesel showed, is more productive than using a traditional sliding weight trace. I think is as a result of the weight bouncing along on the bottom (similar to the "roep" method). It also seems more productive if there is a reasonable wind blowing and rippling the water. Too slow a drift is unproductive the boat needs to be moving above 0.5kmh.

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 Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2014 10:06 pm
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Here is a few illustrations of drifting rigs.

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 Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2014 10:10 pm
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 Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2014 10:14 pm
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 Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2014 10:32 pm
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This rig might do what Nobbles tries to accomplish with his rig, being more buoyant than the above demonstrated rigs.

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 Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2014 11:08 pm
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This last rig has been the most effective for me at Bloemhof. Probably as you state, the bait is kept just off the bottom. Also less snags with this type of rig. The santee rig looks interesting as well.

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 Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2014 04:03 pm
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About right skuim. The Santee rig there i have been using both on a drift and as a set (no moving bait). Im very interested in the moment in the suspended or floating rigs. That float the yanks use on the santee can also have a rattle in it, very interesting method.. The guys on the ebro are also using rattles in alot of different ways, ill try get some pictures or ask for an explanation.
with the suspend bait when i drift, the sinker doesn't actually touch the bottom. I drop the bait down until the sinker touches the bottom, i than reel the bait up to where i believe the fish may be holding in the water. This has been working well for me, i need to test it on other waters. But if i find the fish holding at a certain depth this allows me to be a bit more precise. The bait literally goes past there nose or with in a small distance from them. My other 2 rods i use the running sinker. But that 3 way rig ill certainly be giving a bash when the trolling motor comes back from the doctors. I like diesels rig with the worm.

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 Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2014 04:04 pm
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Sorry double post.

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I would mix the slip sinker rig with the Santee rig whereby I would let the sinker bob on the bottom and place the floating foam closer to the bait/hook because what I would like to mimic is a small bait fish (sinker) scattering along the bottom kicking up silt trying to get away from a chasing predatory fish (hook & bait) which in turn would become bait fish for the catfish. The catfish will hone in on this fish as it is occupied by chasing the smaller bait fish.

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I make my own drift leads with shrink tube and 3 gram round leads and i fish the santenee rig but with out a float on the line. If i want to go higher in the water columb i use a three way rig. The inline leads just snag to much.

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Here it is. Basic version ran out of shrink tube

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Just a teazer of what is coming, and no it's not the beer. One moerse liver and a pig heart.

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Ok moving on to fish heads. Before we start discussing the different techniques I think we must just talk about the different fish heads we use and can use and don't use.

Carp head - Yes
Grass Carp head - yes
Muddy head - yes
Kurper/Talapia - not really but can be used as a small bait. I would rather use it as a whole fish bait.
Bass - same as Kurper above.
Catfish heads - don't really rate the head as a good Cat bait.
Sardine heads - had success with it so yes it can be an option.
Yellow fish - no, has legal issues surrounding these species.

Any other I'm missing.

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baber chum!!!

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 Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2014 11:43 am
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Has anyone got some nice pics of a hair rigged head with a circle hook i always enjoy watching the bait made up by other guys. Thanx skuim for that opening message. Good to clarify the important stuff first.

For a bit of input i sure do love grass carp heads. Squashed a bit and hooked from bottom to top through the lips. Perfer them for anchored or bank fishing unless the heads are very small then i may attempt a drift

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