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 Posted: Tue May 26th, 2015 12:25 pm
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i have very rarely fished mono on multiplyers in the last 4 years.

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 Posted: Tue May 26th, 2015 03:34 pm
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Marthin wrote: i have very rarely fished mono on multiplyers in the last 4 years.

H Marthin !

Do you also fish braid with a mono leader on your cracker outfit ?

I remember that Grootvis once mentioned that the directness of the braid is "too much" for his liking, for targetting the larget musselcrackers.

I was consodering braid/superline in the .45-.50 diam range, for using on my modded 1530 for this type of fishing where the braid would probably test at close to 100lbs test, so that you can use a heavy leader without the fear of the mainline breaking, when the swivel between that and the hook/sinker trace, gets stuck in a reef.

To add a bit of stretch and act as shockabsorber, you could probably use a 15 meter or so mono leader ?

I have switched to the "old original" fused Fireline 0.36- 0.38 on all my reels apart from this one and really like the advantages - a slightly larger diam might just be perfect for the crackers.

Any thoughts anyone ?

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 Posted: Tue May 26th, 2015 04:00 pm
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a larger dia.sounds about right with whatever abrasion resistance it can offer for theses fellas

or stick with preferred dia. braid but use thicker braid leader in the 80/100lb range for when mr kwacker takes off between the reefs

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 Posted: Tue May 26th, 2015 04:32 pm
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the big lady in the profile picture was on the orange kingfisher braid...

make a 3 turn uni mono side and 8 turn uni braid side...

.80 leader is what i generally fish on the braid when im not fishing for gallies... that's for anything edible rocks or sand... 3 turns around the reel if the bait is at the casting position.

I've even pushed it to .90 leader and it works...

What i do when i spesifically am targeting crackers is use the T-line tapered leaders with braid or even mono.

http://www.tline.co.za/leaderlinegame.htm

i use the .75 - 1.20 and .85 - 1.5 tapered leaders, buy 2 5pack rolls, and throw in the tackle box.  They are a bit longer than what i'm comfortable with, so i cut off about a metre off the front, so on the .75 one the business end is about 1mm and on the .85 the business end is about 1.2-1.3

that thickness is purely just for abrasion if it does stick it's head behind some mussels and redbait, that thickness also doesnt go into thin cracks and will pluck a mussel off the rocks even if it does go between the shells.

You just need to remind yourself to back off the drag and play it with your thumb closer in and braid is fine.

On the steenbras picture in the background you can see the business end of the tapered leader.  I was actually going for cracker and changed the bait to a half mullet and kept the setup the same...

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I still share the same sentiments about the braid for cracker, I think I have mentioned before, I got hit so hard on one occasion I really thought something was going to give on the rod at the time, I dont have much faith in a HMG rod/Braid/Big cracker on the end, just get the angle wrong and SNAP!! 15-25kg cracker are what im talking about, not the smaller stuff.

Alot of guys have replied that they use braid on their multipliers, but to some degree, we cannot assume that rock/surf fishing for cracker/galjoen/steenbras/cob etc is the same as spinning from a boat or rocks for game fish. There are 2 different techniques with different styles.

The reason I say it is a game changer for me, is the fact I can put more line on my reel and secondly, when it comes to spinning, you get alot of burn offs when casting, just due to wind and sea and friction(line gets very dry) etc. Braid will take care of this one time and of course a Low rider guide to KT set up...;).  For yellowtail it is perfect, can get a much more solid hook up. Now, the other thing is, spinning, you are casting all day non-stop, having a MAG-IT reel fitted with braid is really ticking all the boxes, but, I would not have considered this , if my reel was not magged. So thank you CC, I now have to learn to cast again!!

The only downside Im looking at is, the difference again in surf/rock fishing is this, you get a slow pick up sometimes a grab, when you hook a yellowtail from rooikraantz, you go from nothing to immediate force, and for the guys that have not experienced this, it is a very powerful fish, so now, if Im fishing the braid, and this happens, is the braid going to cut in, you cannot keep enough tension on the line when retrieving a plug or spinner so you will always have a bit of slack line lay, so thoughts to combat this?

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 Posted: Tue May 26th, 2015 08:46 pm
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Cuban Cigar wrote: Marthin wrote: i have very rarely fished mono on multiplyers in the last 4 years.

H Marthin !

Do you also fish braid with a mono leader on your cracker outfit ?

I remember that Grootvis once mentioned that the directness of the braid is "too much" for his liking, for targetting the larget musselcrackers.

I was consodering braid/superline in the .45-.50 diam range, for using on my modded 1530 for this type of fishing where the braid would probably test at close to 100lbs test, so that you can use a heavy leader without the fear of the mainline breaking, when the swivel between that and the hook/sinker trace, gets stuck in a reef.

To add a bit of stretch and act as shockabsorber, you could probably use a 15 meter or so mono leader ?

I have switched to the "old original" fused Fireline 0.36- 0.38 on all my reels apart from this one and really like the advantages - a slightly larger diam might just be perfect for the crackers.

Any thoughts anyone ?

Cuban, 60 - 80lbs braid with , shorter leader though, I wouldnt go more than 5m max. I used to use a 3m leader, dont want to leave too much leader stuck in the rocks, personally, the bigger you go, the more difficult it becomes to break off too! with stronger tackle, you need to match a rod that is capable of handling that kind of abuse too! The problem is when a big fish manges to turn and do one quick run, that quick, unexpected run is where it goes pear shaped! Sorry, i tend to always look at all the if's, not just about the fish but your tackle too....:)

If I were to change to all braid on my multiplier(spinning), i would probably go 60lbs- braid with with maybe 130lbs braid leader or 1mm flouro leader of 4-5m. In fact thinner will give far better action to a plug or spinner, theres no ways a fish will break 60lbs braid as a mainline in open water, unless you targeting real big GT's or anberjacks etc.....Im really excited about this, magging a reel = less overwinds, less loss of tackle(R100 a spinner these days), intact thumbs, improved distance, less strain on reel and mostly less strain on arms and body.....Yeah!

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 Posted: Tue May 26th, 2015 11:54 pm
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Don I think you are over analyzing.

It works fine for spinning and plugging, with a faster left to right criss cross you prevent line digging in and it is only the top 100m that is relatively loose and compact below so cutting in isn't a problem

Danie from Skukuza last year posted a pic of a 45kg+ GT caught on his Tor20 with 100lbs of the beach in Mozambique

He also has sent me a large number of Pics of 15kg+ Cracker caught on bait on Tor 20 with 80lbs braid as mainline. He fishes multi piece Purglas /3 and /4 and does the hit and hold thing....... The fish will pull you over or onto your knees before you snap this class of rod or a rod like a T53 /7.

What we have found is that if you fished 10kg with 0.70mm while plugging for tail off the Point then reduce to 7kg with braid.

PLENTY people spinning with the same lures and same braid or even lighter of St Francis (with Grinders - possibly even yourself).

Without putting to much thought into this...... they have the same tension you will have and they are landing their fish they pick up on Braid.

With the reel mag set stronger there is zero flaring so much less chance of getting burnt off. The braid holds more line so with repetitive casting the braid and spool remains wet and burning of becomes greatly reduced.

All over Facebook plenty pic's of Big GT and Cracker caught on Grinder style fishing with heavy Braid, Braid leader etc and hit and hold without broken rods etc.

Popping for GT and Tuna with Grinder off of boats...... endless casting and retrieving without high tension...... 60kg Yellowfin smashing topwater plug and the tackle survives and the fish is landed. (Those popping Rods are HMG)

There is enough evidence all around us that fishing braid in these applications WORKs and lands HUGE fish.

The danger of burning off and over runs has now been largely eliminated by the use of Mag-IT

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 Posted: Wed May 27th, 2015 01:19 am
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Craig, agreed, all those points you mentioned is re-instating what I said, all positives for the magged multiplier with braid.

For the unconverted multiplier guys, like me, its good news for the ones that don't have magged reels with braid.  A very important note, is that by fitting  the mag kit , why would we have to spend thousands on converting to a grinder whereas now, we have all the benefits of the grinder, maybe less gear ratio, in fact the multipliers are going to get more distance now i think.

Yes, there are alot of guys fishing light grinders for the tail in St.Francis, but you will be amazed at how much braid is covering the rocks, because they fishing light braid set ups, a lighter stick in this case I don't believe gives you as much control on a fish as a heavier built one. The Exage spinning version is a good example of a heavy duty spinning stick that you still have control of over the fish, Ive seen the guys hook up with tail on the lighter grinders and just cannot control it, and by the time they do, its wrapped itself 3 times around the reef.

You definately answered my question though, which was very important to me, is that wont need to worry too much about braid digging in, thats basically sold me completely to change over to braid on my multipliers, except for surf fishing though.

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Trophy thought exactly the same as you do (looks like the same as Marthin as well) Hence his switch to braid 5 years ago on his Multipliers.

I remember us standing on the pier with hos GW20 and his 12' custom throwing spoons for Garrick. He had put on a 50lbs Jigging braid which changed.colour every 10m, so we could judge exactly how far we were throwing the 3.5oz spoon. We were throwing 120-140m with a bit of help from a decent Westerly on the Pier you are 3m + above the water (no Burn offs or lost spoon, about 300 casts later)

He only has 1 x 4000 size grinder on a small 8' rod.for estuary spinning.

Grinders are 2 season reels for most hardened fishermen because they have to many working parts that just dont last he has 2 x shimmi 14 and a Fathom 30 filled with braid that he does all his edibles fishing, plugging and spooning with.

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What I did forget to mention was that he and I (and a few of our mates) clubbed in and we bought static internal mag kits (and some mono mags) from the UK 4 years ago.

This greatly advanced our switch to braid on multipliers. They use a cast nylon plate that is fitted in the reel and that takes anything from 1-8 mini magnets (similar to a setup that one finds in a fathom in the Mag-IT kit so the only way to adjust the control is to add or remove magnets so it doesn't have the range of adjustment that Mag-IT has.

Most importantly, in Europe an SL30 is considered a BIG beach casting multiplier so kits for bigger reels like an SL50 do not exist.

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Lastly, this past weekend at the Central Gauteng casting trials ALL the longest casts of dummy baits (standard and the sinker plus 300gr) in fact 90%+ of anglers, longest cadts were made using their Multiplier setups and none could match their multiplier cast with their grinder casts.

And Im talking 150-160m with a 7-8oz with a 20cm (2.5oz) bait. Where they cast on a range and measure only casts that are within bounds and measuring is down a centerline with a Lazer Range Finder......

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So you trying to tell me that I could've had this set up 5 years ago already?????

:)

Man, I need to start paying attention to these things.
Well, thanks to you and Cuba for all the details, will be sending my reels to mark soon as I'm back in SA.

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So you trying to tell me that I could've had this set up 5 years ago already?????

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Mag it is now availible for installation in Southern Cape area.
You can contact me on 082 294 6005 or email on johanh.barnard@gmail.com

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Great News. Will contact you if I decide to Mag my TN30a.

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Corkscrew wrote: Great News. Will contact you if I decide to Mag my TN30a.
Dont decide, just do it!!...:)

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Quick question... What would the cost be to Mag my TN30a?

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Okay Great, thanks

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Psy wrote: About 250 bucks
Rand vs  ..... exchange rate, is nailing us on the imports of magplate material and magnets, so you are loooking at around R 300-00.

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